Played live for the first time, was doin well until I shoved smh..

So i came down to the poker room looking to play 1/2. I bought in with 50$. They sat me down at an empty table and it took about 30min before enough players joined to start a game. It was a really nooby table with maybe 2-3 guys who were alright. I felt like I was kind of up there with them but still came across as a nooby because of my lack of live experience. I felt a little flustered compared to when I play online because of all the attention on me when its my turn to act. Like, sometimes I wanted to take my time and think about a hand like I do online but I kept thinking "everyone's gonna be annoyed by me blah blah"... I was up 87$ when I got dealt KK. Everyone limped to me, I raised 4XBB @ cutoff, the button called (this old lady was going all in with J-7, 9-10, so she was as loose as her vagina), everyone folded except from the guy to the right of me who called. The flop came A-9-3. The guy to the right of me raised 7.5XBB, I went all-in, and the old lady to the left of me called. The guy to the right had the rockets, A-A. The lady, 9-9. The turn and river were 10, Q respectively.

Now, I'm pretty sure that going all in with KK when there is an Ace on the board is retarded especially when the guy before me raised 7.5XBB. But now I can't help but wonder what would have been the best play in this situation. I probably should have been wary of the fact that the guy called my raise pre-flop and then bet again on the flop. Again, I was a little flustered. I hope thats normal.

So what would you do when you have KK in position and raise, player out of position calls then raises on the flop with there being an ace on the board???

If theres a raise before you, insta fold. You can wait for a much better spot to get the chips from the fish if he's shoving with J-7 and 9-10 etc. The chance is big someone has the ace or a better hand.

Kings is the second best hand in holdem and it is rarely a hand for you to throw away. Let me correct that.. It's very rare for you to throw away kings pre flop.
hands like Aces or kings don't come around very often, so your pre flop raise is fine.
However, keep in mind before you see the flop that you have two players in the hand with you and anyone of them can have you beat after the flop.
You had position and it is very unlikely for an amateur opponent to be bluffing after the flop when an ace comes on board.
I would've definitely waved the white flag and gave up.
It is a cash game which makes it even more unlikely for the amateur player to be bluffing away his stack without the ace.

Eww!

Ok, well I really really dislike your shove on the flop. When someone donks into you on an A high board multiway and you massively over bet shove all your chips in the middle with KK and get called you're very likely drawing to 2 outs. The problem is of course even the worse players aren't going to bluffing to much or value betting to much worse hands given an Ace is part of someones raising or calling range.

The best play by far facing a donk lead is just to call the flop, not raise and evaluate the turn based on what happens. I'd be especially more happy continuing in the pot if the original bettor just check folds and this loose old lady continues with the hand given what we know about her. When we raise we literally fold out all his bluffs and possible worse hands and of course get called by better when we shove.


It could very well be nerves as to why you played like that as it was your first time live. Just learn from it and gl!

I think your right move at the flop should have been call or fold, since knowing what the old lady had she would have instant re raised and the pocket rockets would have shoved giving you the option to lay it down ... KK on an A showing board, hate being there !!!

Yeah should have just called the flop. If he bet on the turn with a rag on the board should I have folded. Or does it depend on the bet amount?

I think you should have called the bet but not raise with it.
Maybe i will raise if it was against one and not all of it.

You can call on the flop and evaluate what will he do on the turn.

If he still bets, then surrendering on the spot is ok for me.

The biggest mistake you made in this session wasn't how you played your kings (although that play was awful). It was buying in for $50.

If you're going to play $1/$2, then buy in for $200 --- or don't play. Playing short is a terrible, and significantly -EV, tactic.

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo

Agree on the buy in of $50 being way too low to be profitable long term. For example if you had bought in for at least $150 and played yr cards the same way you would have been ahead over $250 when the KK hand came up. As far as the question about how to play the flop I think it is just an easy fold against two opponents. Maybe you call one street in position against a single opponent to evaluate. Back to the buy in, lets just say you bought in for 150 and had 400 in yr stack, maybe ace rag hands don't call you pre flop

Raise more preflop. When you say everyone limped to you in CO, you mean mean 5-6 limps?

I'd be making it at least $20 there.
Once A hits feel free to c/f

I agree with the others that the A on the board after calling ur pre flop raise pretty much makes an instant fold with a 7 bet on the flop. its a tough pill to swallow but its the right move

dukeblue said:

A on the board after calling ur pre flop raise pretty much makes an instant fold with a 7 bet on the flop. its a tough pill to swallow but its the right move

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Agreed^

Those hands are going to happen, and more often than not it all goes in preflop, both in cash games and tournaments. However after the flop with an ace on the board with pocket kings (Murphy's Law), it's never comfortable. With that bet, I'd have called and just hoped for a king (even though you were a huge underdog, but you didn't know it). If a king didn't come on the turn and he bet again, I'd have folded. If he checked, it would have been a bit suspicious and THEN I probably would have shoved.. and lost anyway. And then would have been angry because slow rolling sucks.