played jacks wrong?

I played the other night and was in the last 40 of a 110 runner tourney. I was in middle pos'n and got dealt ppJ's I had 42000 chips and the blinds were 800-1600, I raised to 4000 being the first to enter ther pot the guy to my left reraised 14000 it got folded round to me and I went all in thinking or maybe hoping he had AK well he never and he showed ppK's took 32000 of me. The thing was the next hand I got dealt ppA's slow played them and got a guy going all in I had 10000 left called and got busted when he hit a flush on the river. I just think I played the jj's wrong and realised it as soon as I said all in...what do you all think

There are only 3 ways to play jj, and they are all wrong......

i dont think you played them wrong. unless he is a very tight player, he could have any number of things like PP10, AK, KQ, or AQ. to make it real deep in tournaments you have to make a lot of really tough decisions in some very iffy spots. i think folding here is playing to tight and calling takes to much of your stack. i think you did the right thing.

Thanks thunder you've made me feel better but it's just that I think I was in a race at best at worst toally dominated the thing is the previous week I folded to a very similar bet with jj's and he showed AK this time I did the opposite and it cost me big.. I am thinking of folding them now to big bets unless I'm short stacked

dj11 said:

There are only 3 ways to play jj, and they are all wrong......

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+1!
In response to the title, I don't think that you can play them right...

player reads and stack sizes are needed here to give proper advice.

? about player reads and stack sizes

my stack around 42000 his 34000 or there abouts he was a rather tight player although I had seen him call an all in with AQ previous to that althought he said to me he was pissed of with the player stealing the blinds all the time his AQ beat pp9's when he hit his ace. I just felt as I said all in it was the wrong thing to do but it was to late I don't know but maybe it's better to fold these than risk it?

You played them as best as you could... Don't run your self down on it, it will happen to the best of us..

I think most everyone in your situation would have done the same thing. I can only think of a couple of times i have folded jacks and each time i have folded i have gone very deep in the tourny. So sometimes its very good to play cautious espcially when the blinds were at 1600 and you had 42000. Risking it all on one hand that isnt the best hand in poker. I can understand aces cuz you never think your gonna lose with those.

All in or fold are the right choices for sure because of both of your stack sizes.

Hoping/thinking that someone had a specific hand isnt always the best way to evaluate your moves. Try thinking about the type of hands he would be raising you with.

Has he re-raised(3 bet) yet in the game? If you havent seen him do this yet and you think he is a tight player(dont forget about what he might be thinking about how your playing as well) then the only hands he might do this with could be QQ+ and AK maybe AQ. So your thinking was right that at best you would be a coin flip, but when you add in all those other hands the all in should seem less appealing.

Add to the fact that he has already put in half his stack and you can be sure that he is very interested in getting all the money in.

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kidkvno1 said:

You played them as best as you could... Don't run your self down on it, it will happen to the best of us..

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he 3 bet you, i think i would have folded unless i had a good read on him, he could easily have a better pair or ak aq and then we are only on a flip coin which makes the decision of calling seem bad to me.

as for AA i have learned not to slow play them, i am sure there are people out there who play better than me and can slow play AA with success but i prefer taking down a small pot rather than going broke every now and then because some douchebad hit a straight or flush of even some weird 2 pair on me.

I slow played the aces because I was short and hoped to get an all in or a reraiser to try and double up. I got the first bit but not the second but I only had 10000 left and the blinds were 800-1600 and rising. To be honest I'm happy with the aces play but not with the jacks...I appreciate all of your help and I liked Norriscjn's comment about folding jacks and going deep this does seem the right way to play this troublesome hand

If you were that far into the tourney you should be able to see which players are the tight ones and which ones are those who want to gamble. If you've seen him reraise only kings during the tourney then he's probably got you beat.
I'd say that in a serious tourney the average player would need at least AQo to reraise there. The nature of the tourney is actually very important. If it's a freeroll, just push the jacks, if it's the sunday million think twice about it.

Although jacks is a good hand, I think you should have folded or at least took your time calling the raise because a reraise of almost 4 times your raise is usually an indication of a hand bigger than pocket jacks. Unless, the guy is crazy, it is unlikely that he would reraise you all in without a monster. Maybe next time, take notes to see if he's tight or loose. If he's in few hands, than folding would def. be the best otption. Good luck in the future.

I think it depends on your read on the other player. Was he loose aggressive in which case I would say you played it okay. If however he was a tight player a fold was the right choice. A lot of the pros wont call all ins with QQ far less JJ. It is a togh hand to play well. Dont beat yourself up too much.

i wouldnt of called the re-raise, with pocket Js or any PP lower than a K i like to see the flop and make sure no high cards come out, if not id bet bigger and just hope sombody is trying to catch a straight/flush and if nothing comes out in their favor on the turn bet bigger and try and make em fold

In hind sight, I would have folded to his big raise, it screams, "I got you beat". still a tough lay down. I wouldn't beat myself up over it, just remember for the next time. GOOD LUCK

you should of just call then going all in due to the face that on the flop if you did not hit a set you could of folded and saved money. Also with a re-raise like that he was pot comited, so on the flop I bet that he was going to go all in after the flop. you need to watch for plays like this. when someone bets 1/2 there chips stack there 99% of the time going to go all in on the flop.

I would fold them. He is committing his stack to his hand so imo..at best you're a coinflip. This is under the assumption when he reraises he has shown up with strong hands each time. If the guy was a donk than the situation would be different.

cracksniper said:

I played the other night and was in the last 40 of a 110 runner tourney. I was in middle pos'n and got dealt ppJ's I had 42000 chips and the blinds were 800-1600, I raised to 4000 being the first to enter ther pot the guy to my left reraised 14000 it got folded round to me and I went all in thinking or maybe hoping he had AK well he never and he showed ppK's took 32000 of me. The thing was the next hand I got dealt ppA's slow played them and got a guy going all in I had 10000 left called and got busted when he hit a flush on the river. I just think I played the jj's wrong and realised it as soon as I said all in...what do you all think

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Yes you did see link below

thunder1276 said:

i dont think you played them wrong. unless he is a very tight player, he could have any number of things like PP10, AK, KQ, or AQ. to make it real deep in tournaments you have to make a lot of really tough decisions in some very iffy spots. i think folding here is playing to tight and calling takes to much of your stack. i think you did the right thing.

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yes he did see link below

brank said:

All in or fold are the right choices for sure because of both of your stack sizes.

Hoping/thinking that someone had a specific hand isnt always the best way to evaluate your moves. Try thinking about the type of hands he would be raising you with.

Has he re-raised(3 bet) yet in the game? If you havent seen him do this yet and you think he is a tight player(dont forget about what he might be thinking about how your playing as well) then the only hands he might do this with could be QQ+ and AK maybe AQ. So your thinking was right that at best you would be a coin flip, but when you add in all those other hands the all in should seem less appealing.

Add to the fact that he has already put in half his stack and you can be sure that he is very interested in getting all the money in.

also this...

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Nope see link below

Ok here is the link and look at the signature.
https://www.cardschat.com/members/onebourbon/

haha, i dont even have to go to the link, i bet i know what quote is gonna come up. something about the 3 ways to play Js????