PL Omaha what do ya do

I had this hand the other day and just didn't see how to avoid it
I have $10 new guy sits in with $20
My hand AcAs9d10c
so before I can act I get a raise to me I re raise only to be re raised again so I call cause I know Omaha.. its a little about the luck! but the flop comes Ad8c4h giving me the nuts as far as flops go.. I bet it and guy comes over the top for all my chips I make the call gladly he flips over JdJh9h10d and low and behold runner runner diamonds takes the pot away from me!
SOoo question is how do I avoid this spot? Fold the AA to people overplaying there hands.. I see this a lot in Omaha they are juicing the pot pre flop with ANY cards.. is it a common thing?

jwlaw35 said:

I had this hand the other day and just didn't see how to avoid it
I have $10 new guy sits in with $20
My hand AcAs9d10c
so before I can act I get a raise to me I re raise only to be re raised again so I call cause I know Omaha.. its a little about the luck! but the flop comes Ad8c4h giving me the nuts as far as flops go.. I bet it and guy comes over the top for all my chips I make the call gladly he flips over JdJh9h10d and low and behold runner runner diamonds takes the pot away from me!
SOoo question is how do I avoid this spot? Fold the AA to people overplaying there hands.. I see this a lot in Omaha they are juicing the pot pre flop with ANY cards.. is it a common thing?

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Omaha is a very dangerous game and i would advise playing pot-control when going in. Limping in most likely is the best play, but (of course there is a BUT..) if you have aces with suited connectors like in your case here i would play them very strong. the new guy just gets lucky here, so you didn't do anything wrong. In the long run you will be a winning player not him who pushes all-in with nothing on the flop and gets runner runner. How many times do you think they will be so lucky??? Exactly!! Not many times.
So just play your game bro and try not to blow up pots unnecessarily and especially look for good spots to call, don't call with mediocre hands in early positions.

Gl at the tables

jwlaw35 said:

I had this hand the other day and just didn't see how to avoid it
I have $10 new guy sits in with $20
My hand AcAs9d10c
so before I can act I get a raise to me I re raise only to be re raised again so I call cause I know Omaha.. its a little about the luck! but the flop comes Ad8c4h giving me the nuts as far as flops go.. I bet it and guy comes over the top for all my chips I make the call gladly he flips over JdJh9h10d and low and behold runner runner diamonds takes the pot away from me!
SOoo question is how do I avoid this spot? Fold the AA to people overplaying there hands.. I see this a lot in Omaha they are juicing the pot pre flop with ANY cards.. is it a common thing?

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What are the stakes here? 10c/25c? And, it was 4-bet pre-flop? How do you not end up all-in pre-flop? If it's 5c/10c, how did someone sit with $20 at ACR? Was it a different site?

How deep are we? What were the specific bet sizes? This does matter. Stacks would have to be incredibly deep for me not to 5-bet this.

Frankly, with AAT9ss facing a 4-bet, I just 5-bet and get stacks in pre-flop. With your hand, it's likely you have 60%+ equity pre-flop against everything and there's no fold equity post-flop with the stack sizes and the SPR. The only hand where you aren't 60%+ is the other Aces, and your side cards put you in decent shape against most of those. The worst hand you are up against is AA with another pair (AAKK or whatever). That's still basically a flip, you're 2% behind pre-flop but committed with the money already in the pot. Get the money in pre-flop.

On the flop, the SPR is less than 4 and you have top set on a very dry board. It's a snap-call.

yeah I guess you are right.. played at SB it was .10/.25 guy raised pre I re raised and he pot limit re-raised it.. Which I called flopped the set and he bet $2 into it and I reraised $2 then he went all in and I called.. I just don't see the call he had to know what I had by the preflop actions

The beauty of poker. Just because you play it correctly doesn't mean you will win.

Alright, so effective stacks are 40xbb. You didn't say what the initial two raises were, so I will assume min-raises. You still would be able to get nearly your entire stack in pre-flop.

Villian raises to 2xbb ($0.50)
[everyone folds to you]
SB [Hero] raises to 3xbb ($0.75)
[BB folds]
Villian pots it to 10xbb ($2.50)
SB [Hero] calls 10xbb ($2.50)

Pot is 21xbb ($5.25), effective stacks are 30xbb ($7.50), flop SPR ~= 1.5

It's a get it in situation, even if those were min-raises. But, note that you could have made it 31xbb pre-flop (basically all-in, which is a good spot to be in omaha with aces). The more of your stack you can get in (pre-flop) with aces, the happier you are. People caution being slow because 3-betting can give away your hand and that's bad when deep. If you 3-bet AA out of position when 200xbb deep and get called, you're in horrible shape if you don't hit an ace.


I can't really explain his call. It happens. People call, in this game. You'll see worse beats. He still has almost 13% equity on that flop. I think my worst beat was flopping the nut straight against bare Aces (he had no draws). He was 4% to win, and did. The board ran runner-runner trips to give him a full house. Can't let it get to you. Just play within your bankroll.

There is no way you can, or should get away from situations like this.

As for common? Yeah, more common in PLO than in HE. But in this case Villain had a decent hand with a shitload of straights , a pair and a suit. Card selection wasn't your problem, his aggro nature was.

So, if you think like me, and realize that in Omaha, you are up against 6 hands per player with your 6 hands, villain actually has a better hand than yours pre! OK, that might be a stretch, but not much of a stretch.

Vinnie, it is possible at WPN to come in to a table with bigger than max buy-in if you won on one table and left for a short while. In fact at times it is mandatory.

dj11 said:

There is no way you can, or should get away from situations like this.

As for common? Yeah, more common in PLO than in HE. But in this case Villain had a decent hand with a shitload of straights , a pair and a suit. Card selection wasn't your problem, his aggro nature was.

So, if you think like me, and realize that in Omaha, you are up against 6 hands per player with your 6 hands, villain actually has a better hand than yours pre! OK, that might be a stretch, but not much of a stretch.

Vinnie, it is possible at WPN to come in to a table with bigger than max buy-in if you won on one table and left for a short while. In fact at times it is mandatory.

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Yeah, I know that. Wasn't thinking of it, as few people come back with stacks. Which also makes naming the stakes much more important. If this was a 1c/2c table with 500xbb effective stacks, the advice would be different.

I'm not sure how you're evaluating villain's hand here. On the flop he doesn't have any draws except backdoor ones. Preflop he's 36% to Hero's 64%. On the flop it's 13% to 87%.

vinnie said:

Yeah, I know that. Wasn't thinking of it, as few people come back with stacks. Which also makes naming the stakes much more important. If this was a 1c/2c table with 500xbb effective stacks, the advice would be different.

I'm not sure how you're evaluating villain's hand here. On the flop he doesn't have any draws except backdoor ones. Preflop he's 36% to Hero's 64%. On the flop it's 13% to 87%.

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Point wasn't what villain hit, but rather how he approached the situation. Villain was super agro. I personally would hang back a bit, try to exert some semblance of pot control, but being willing to get it in at some point unless that river is a flush card....then I do some serious thinking. Especially since this villain is playing his first hand against our hero.

Marge would likely play villains hand that way, at least from all I've read from him. I have enough wariness about Omaha that I might not re-raise up front.

Short stacked Omaha? Pot control with Aces?

I know Omaha is a game where a lot of thinking is wise, especially about potential board runouts and future action, but we are 40xbb deep and got 4-bet preflop. There are flops where I might hesitate to get stacks in, this is not one of them.

vinnie said:

Short stacked Omaha? Pot control with Aces?

I know Omaha is a game where a lot of thinking is wise, especially about potential board runouts and future action, but we are 40xbb deep and got 4-bet preflop. There are flops where I might hesitate to get stacks in, this is not one of them.

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I'm more of a PLO8 kinda guy. Might change my approach some. And once the flop looks to be giving us the set, and most likely the nuts till the end, I'm with ya, I'm aiming to get it all in. THe only difference is your racing there and I'm jogging.

thanks for the tips! I just hate that the aggression of this guy proud of his two suited pairs but when I re raised him he should have known to slow down but he refused to.. and when the flop came down an A rainbow like that he should have known he was beat.. unless he thought his set was coming.. I like the game it really makes you think about outs and nuts.. but wow that river card can be sunshine or rain!

Were you just on ACR? Similar name (j***35) and sat at a PLO25 6-max table with $10 before buying in full after a couple hands and then leaving?

Why didn't you stay?

Edit: If it was you, looks like you went to the 9-max table.

Edit 2: Aww man, don't give up when you get outdrawn. You got the money in good that hand.