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I would like to ask the members a question regarding the title, as I find this one of the most difficult decisions in poker. For example, I played a cash game in my local casino the other night and held K9c. Now I know its not a premium hand, but as I had called a limper in late position I had decided to play the hand. A raise from the button however made the hand more expensive. Initially i had called a bet of £4 but the raiser made it £12. Now I know some of you will say fold but the initial caller called the raise so gave me value to do so as well.
The flop came QQK rainbow, no flush draw but did give me top pair. The initial caller checked, what would my best play be? Three players blinds £1-2 about £40 in the pot. Thanks for all your help as I do need to get better at paired boards.
 
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I like paired flops because by card elimination chances are you're ahead. You're kicker isn't much and a raise like that can means trips or a house if the raiser thinks he doesn't need to slow play. I'm calling a flop bet and getting to showdown cheaply or but folding to any real action if the hand doesn't improve.
 
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paired board

Just to clarify Mac, the raiser raised pre flop to both mine and the initial caller. The initial caller flatted to £4 and I limped in with £4 the button raiser made it £12 and we both called. Then the flop came QQK the intial caller checked it's me to play so how would it be best to play knowing there is a pre flop raiser behind me?
 
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Don't call a pre flop raise with K9 out of position and check to the preflop raiser.
 
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I probably check call 2 streets for pot control and fold to 3 barrel. I doubt he would 3 barrel bluff this texture. If limper check raises any street I fold. Bet river for value if flop and turn gets checked through.
 
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Aside from folding preflop, which is the better move most of the time...

Check and call down. If the action heats up, fold with no regret.
 
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If I were in your spot and I would a have a nice bankroll , I would have bet 24 pounds and see what the other players are doing. You had a pretty good hand , it worths trying. But only if you have a nice bankroll.
 
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I would bet the flop. If you check and the person checks behind you then you give them a free card to improve there hand. Also by betting it will give you a good idea of what everyone is holding. If they are on a draw, or have a pocket pair they will probably call but if they have a hand like ak they will probably re raise you which is an easy fold for you. Also I dont like your call pre flop because even if its a dry flop like k 2 7 you will either win a small pot or be behind to a hand like ak or kq.
 
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Not sure how many players are in. If just one player then i would check. If you check it can give you more clarity on the hand as the turn card comes. That is what i usually would do on a high hand.
 
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That's why we learn to fold these hands to avoid situations like this
 
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For me I tend not to play these sort's of hands because of situation's like this. But then I'm not a cash expert.
 
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Exactly !!! Don'set yourself up for such a decision in first place.

But, since you are here, I'd say you really have essentially 3 choices:
1. FOLD or
2. REPRESENT a stronger hand like KQ, QQ, KK, AK, or AA by betting a minimum of 1/2 or preferably 3/4th POT or.
3. CHECK it down to river and then BET 1/2 the pot if it is checked to river.

I would take door #2 and REPRESENT a much stronger hand after seeing the FLOP and before the TURN. DO NOT show weakness ... either show lots of strength OR FOLD.

 
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Exactly !!! Don'set yourself up for such a decision in first place.

But, since you are here, I'd say you really have essentially 3 choices:
1. FOLD or
2. REPRESENT a stronger hand like KQ, QQ, KK, AK, or AA by betting a minimum of 1/2 or preferably 3/4th POT or.
3. CHECK it down to river and then BET 1/2 the pot if it is checked to river.

I would take door #2 and REPRESENT a much stronger hand after seeing the FLOP and before the TURN. DO NOT show weakness ... either show lots of strength OR FOLD.

:D:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::D
 
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interesting your story is but I would say you played very well and you had a very high torque, the issue is with both QQ flop, sometimes it is better to fold to finish involved in one hand and a big pot when two ladies on the flop you know for next time!
 
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I would bet the flop. If you check and the person checks behind you then you give them a free card to improve there hand. .
If we're actually ahead here, how many outs are we worried about that will improve villain's hands that are currently behind us here?


Fold pre!
 
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K9 suited is a strange hand. Often turns out to be the very first unplayable hand in the range of unplayable hands. I usually fold it, except short staked or heads up, of course :)
 
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