Overplaying the pocket rockets pre flop?

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I have a sanerio, you are delt pocket AA, and everyone at the table folds but one very aggresive player, even though its impossible to know what he has or what he will do lets say for this example that he will defintly have a premium/broadway hand, and he will defintly call any raise you make, including all in, but after the flop he could do anything he likes, he is an loose aggressive player but good. as we know we have only one oppnent, we are a garrenteed favorite at this time (or at least tied if he has the other AA). Is it always the right move to go all in? because I have noticed sometimes it seems better to make a very large raise, and see the flop to make sure hes not lucking out. remeber for this example this player is loose aggresive, but skilled and in this example we have a read he has broadway or PP. also take into account I am in position, so i get to see his play before I act, (if u can let me know what you think if I was out of position for this example, but i am mainly intersted if I have position because I am using my reads, not that you cant get reads out of position though...)

I Feel possibly my post flop play can aquire more money long term by cutting losses, when he flops lucky, but is this acctualy feasible? Or is it immposible to get more postive EV even with post flop play and best to shove at the start. I feel I also can get the rest of their money in the pot anyway postflop because they are so loose and commited to the pot so it worth it to see the flop to make sure I am not beat because they will most likely call my raises again anyway. while its always postive EV i feel like sometimes when I put maybe 50-70 percent of my stack in at pre flop i reduce my losses more than i win if I was to just shove all pre flop, I would defintly love statistical/math type answers as its easier for me to understand but any are appreciated as I cant find a way to figure this out semi stististicly myself.. also take for this example I am a very strong post flop player.

I have played hands very much like this and I think not pushing all in at the start has saved me more than I made shoving...
 
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It depends on the size of the stack, how he deep.. For example, if more 100 big blinds it is easy to fold , basically we will be behind with overpair , If our stack around 50-70 BB or less , it will be profitable call all in against LAG player....
 
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I beleive those loose agressive players like to pretend they always hit the flop and in most cases it's profitable to call/raise/go all-in. Some times they'll be lucky enough to make flush/straight/etc on the river that is really disappointing and frustrating but still it shouldn't the reason to fold
 
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If I believed he would call all-in bet, then that is what I would do. Since you have a higher probability of winning, then repeated use of this strategy would see you money ahead. The reason that I wouldn't raise all-in was so that opponents didn't read that I made this play whenever I had pocket aces.
 
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Just do not show aggressive play your hole cards, so opponent has not be able to understand that you have at hand, and it can sometimes take advantage of bluff
 
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Any time you can get all in with the nuts you should
 
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Over the long run getting all-in preflop with this player would be profitable. As you said if he is very aggressive and opening a lot of hands you more than likely have him beat in the long run.
 
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i shove usually sometimes mix things up will slow play everything at times depends on more than one player or situation? So need more data here imho. Will say never lay down aces dont care if 9 all in I will too lol.

wont lay down queens or kings either probably not jacks depending mood might go to sixes or even ak lol. With the little knowledge you gave I would shove 99% of time.
 
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i like to mix it up against super LAG players when its heads up, AA one time shove it all in then another big hand maybe smooth call to keep him off balanced. generally if its first time agianst a super LAG player i get it all in preflop to establish table image then when u smooth call or re-raise a portion preflop with say a tier 1 hand then it will keep entire table off game......giving u opportunities to steal with semi-bluffs
 
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If you have only 1 opponent and if are sure that he will call your all-in .I will definitely shove with AA. I will slow-play only if I fear that my opponent doesn't call my shove.Pocket Aces win 85% of the time with only 1 opponent and has a positive EV of 1.15 .There is very little chance for you not to win.
 
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You can't overplay aces preflop, get the money in.
 
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If you are sure he is paying an all-in, just shove and enjoy the run. After flop you can lose if you miss read him, and if he is paying all your chips pre flop, just go for it, it's the MAX you are getting out of him either way.
 
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There are many waves that you cold play your pocket AA
raise 3-4 bet , just call in early position,bet all in in late position.
Sometimes slowplay give result....sometimes not.
It's your time 2 choose how 2 play)
 
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I have a sanerio, you are delt pocket AA, and everyone at the table folds but one very aggresive player, even though its impossible to know what he has or what he will do lets say for this example that he will defintly have a premium/broadway hand, and he will defintly call any raise you make, including all in, but after the flop he could do anything he likes, he is an loose aggressive player but good. as we know we have only one oppnent, we are a garrenteed favorite at this time (or at least tied if he has the other AA). Is it always the right move to go all in? because I have noticed sometimes it seems better to make a very large raise, and see the flop to make sure hes not lucking out.


Why would it EVER be better to make a very large raise, and see the flop 'to make sure he's not lucking out'??? (would you know if they'd hit a set? ... would you assume they've lucked out on a Q-8-2 flop.... and somehow know they're holding QQ, 88, 22, instead of KK, AQ ?)
If you have an oppurtunity to have villain get their stack in when you're an 80+% favourite, why would you not always take this? (this is a dream come true!!!)
 
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You really have to push Aces preflop and hope to get a call. Waiting to play them postflop is a big mistake, if they don't improve, which happens in most cases. An unimproved pair postflop just keeps on getting weaker and weaker each street especially if you have let in more than one player. Don't worry about the other guy when you have him in preflop.
 
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