Over Valuing AA

My Question Stems from Playing a hand Which (I'll Post the Entire hand)...My Question is, I've taken what everyone on here has been telling me in previous
posts about my (Raising with limpers in the hand OOP to heart)...

My Questions are as Follows, While Some ppl On here have stated that H.P bets are Better as C-Bets/Others have stated that the 2/3rd Law is Better...My question is about that exactly how do you Figure out what exact amount is Good For you Opponent to call you with? Sense your OOP how would you Know
when your Behind? This Is Assuming that they just Call you all the way down till the river, Do you still think your 1 pair hand is Good? Since your OOP and there just calling you down how would you Realize if there not Slow Playing 2Pair+ Correct, or is this a Bad Way of thinking

My Last Question is about my Play Over all, I personally believe I played it Awful for many Reasons, but that's why I'm asking the Question about the hand it self...

My Biggest Problem was A) I didn't Stop Betting (This isn't Really an Issue per-say, but at the Same time it didn't really help me Figure out what My Opponent held is his Hand Correct)?

My 2nd Issue with the Way I played the Hand is my River Bet, Yes I had 1 pot Size Bet left, and Yes I shoved A.I, and Yes I won the Hand, but the Problem once again Goes back to Why Did I shove? If they Fold, I'd be Upset because we could've gotten more chips, If they called and We lost, I'd be Upset because I was doing all the Betting For them...So exactly What can I do so I don't Feel like the way I do




poker stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1350519
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BTN: t7855 157.10 BBs
SB: t8175 163.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t7525 150.50 BBs
UTG: t3280 65.60 BBs
UTG+1: t2705 54.10 BBs
UTG+2: t2725 54.50 BBs
MP1: t7850 157 BBs
MP2: t5635 112.70 BBs
CO: t3000 60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with A :heart: A :diamond:
3 folds, MP1 raises to t100, 2 folds, BTN calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t600, MP1 calls t500, 1 fold

Flop: (t1325) Q :heart: 5 :diamond: 3 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets t760, MP1 calls t760

Turn: (t2845) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets t1300, MP1 calls t1300

River: (t5445) 6 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets t4865 all in, MP1 calls t4865

Final Pot: t15175
Hero shows A :heart: A :diamond: (a pair of Aces)
MP1 shows 5 :spade: 4 :spade: (a pair of Fives)
Hero wins t15175

well played. He's obviously a fish, did you have that note before?

I think this hand would have been easier to play if you had exercised some pot control. Indeed, it is a good idea to raise with limpers in the hand when you are OOP, but that really isn't the situation here. There were only two other players in the hand when it came your turn to act in the BB: MP1, who min-raised, and the BTN, who called the min-raise. Your raise to 600 was 6x the previous bet, or 12 BBs. When you did this, you risked folding out both of the other players in the hand, and created a large pot which would be more difficult to maneuver in post-flop. A 3x raise to 300 would have been more appropriate here.


I think your c-bet of a little over half pot is good here. This flop is pretty dry, you are almost certainly ahead with AA, and a lot of worse hands will pay half pot to see another card.


Your turn bet of slightly under half pot is also fine. A little over one third of your starting stack is now committed though, and it definitely would have been better if you hadn't raised so much pre-flop. When MP1 smooth calls your turn bet, you have to figure that he has something like AQ, KQ, a big pocket pair, or maybe even a set. It's also possible he's foolishly chasing the flush draw. Two pair is pretty unlikely here. What two pair combo on this board would call your large pre-flop raise?


The 6 on the river is pretty much a brick unless he was chasing the flush draw with 7h8h. You have to figure that AA is still probably the best hand here. With these stack sizes, rather than shove the river, I would have bet about 1800 (one third pot). This is usually a better way to get value from hands such as AQ, KQ, JJ, and TT. Given the pre-flop and post-flop action, he has to be concerned that you have an overpair or a set, and I'm not sure he calls a river shove with a worse hand except perhaps KK. If you thought that by shoving, however, MP1 would put you on a steal and call off most of his remaining stack, then it was well played sir.

don't post results
give us 'player reads' (in this case I'd assume that for sure we should be valuetowning this fish... I mean pleaszzz .. look what he calls river shove with?)

fwiw (w/o reads), I'd likely play it similiarly (prob raise to 500 pre.. maybe even 450 & maybe ~1/2pot on rvr (or whatever I think villain will call... psychologically 'some' players will call river if you leave them with ~1/2 of their remaining chips)

I probably raise smaller preflop to something around 400 so we get value from more hands in our villain's ranges. By making it 600 we make it harder for worse hands to pay us.

Postflop we don't get raised at any point and no draws really get completed so I see no reason to stop betting and I'd try sizing to get all in by the river. Given our huge raise preflop I'd normally have put villain on JJ+/AQ+. Of that range QQ is all we're really worried about, KK and AQ will almost certainly pay us off and even JJ could give us value.

Flush draws are the other possibility, though since we hold the Ah they're less likely. If they're on a draw we still want to bet every street though.

Quite a big raise preflop, if ur opponent hadnt been a fish it would have folded too, so u would have missplayed your hand.

In that situation raise less, unless u have a loose table image and want them to think you want to squeeze

I like pre-flop rise. Fish don't fold to 3bets mostly and you want to be vs 1 player postflop OOP or make it expensive to possible set miner on button to call.
flop and turn bets are OK but in river I will probably check call possible bluff from missed draws or overplayed AQ. Not many hands call shove on river risking all stack. If you bet less and be raised all-in it would be tough, but a call IMO.
P/S I'm a cash player, I playing very bad in tourneys and my river value betting is too low according stats

I like it. Preflop raise is slightly biggish but w/e. You managed to get in 300 BBs without a ridiculous overbet postflop so good job.

rssurfer54 said:

well played. He's obviously a fish, did you have that note before?

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Sry it's been some time, I actually had a note on him that states he hardly ever Folds, and When he has a monster pre say tends to CC on the Flop/C/R turns, and W/E river is Pushs, but Because we had the Betting lead, With his C/C on the Flop (Which was his Approach), and No C/R on the Turn (Which let me know I was Good), The river shove was because this player tends to at that game atleast call 1 pair hands like they were sets (More or less never folding a pair)...So That's why I shoved River into him....I only asked because I mean (Not many players would call such a Massive River bet, with just 1 pair), so I wanted to know How to Commit them+Price them in to calling without actually having to say bet So massively....

I'd like to thank Everyone for there tips btw

Pre flop is fine. If you have a read he's a fish that'll call with anything and any amount you want to build the pot as big and as fast as possible. If you know he's capabable of calling 600 pre with 54s by all means do it.
To address your original question you can read the board to see if your behind, as in, not a lot of two pair or straight combos were available so your usually always good here b/c most people dont call with Q9,53,69,47 etc on a wetter board smaller blocker bets and pot control would be better and fold to too much or unusual aggression

AA is sooo overrated! I only play 72 off suit.
HAHAHA

MidyMat said:

AA is sooo overrated! I only play 72 off suit.
HAHAHA

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Been some time since I checked this out, but damn had me laughing out loud

Some good advice ITT and you only seemed to reply to the lol ones. Not sure what you're lookin for.....:toilet:

BluffYou123 said:

Some good advice ITT and you only seemed to reply to the lol ones. Not sure what you're lookin for.....:toilet:

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I actually read the entire thread through, and if you look prior I replied to another thing another poster said...So I don't know what your getting at ....I think all the advice here is great And Personally agree with what Others have stated...So once again why point only this out?

Didn't mean to come off like that. (and I didn't even offer anything to your discussion) Didn't mean to offend.

To your question, I don't see a problem with betting all the way here as your opponent didn't raise you so you had reason to believe you had the best hand. Alot depends on how the other player has been playing and seeing this call down you had every right to value town him with an overpair.