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With any given two hole cards what are the most outs you could have after the flop ? If you want to, please elaborate . Thanks
 
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I think the answer is either 19 or 21
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Well I'm assuming meaning you are losing after flop. So say you are against 2d2h, and have 9s10s. With flop of 7s8s7c. You have a lot of outs lol. The 3 remaining 8's, the 3 9's, the 3 10's. That's 9, then the 9 remaining spades, that's 18. The 3 non spade 6's and 3 J's, that's 24 outs , more than half the remaining cards.
 
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Technically there are 25 if you are looking as a pair to count. Normally open ended straight flush draw would give to a winning hand with 13 outs per turn.
 
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Well I'm assuming meaning you are losing after flop. So say you are against 2d2h, and have 9s10s. With flop of 7s8s7c. You have a lot of outs lol. The 3 remaining 8's, the 3 9's, the 3 10's. That's 9, then the 9 remaining spades, that's 18. The 3 non spade 6's and 3 J's, that's 24 outs , more than half the remaining cards.


Right, so 24 outs on the turn. If you do not get one of the cards you seek on the turn, then you will actually have 2 more outs on the river (say Kh comes on the turn, then the Kd,Kc are both good for you). So 24 outs on the turn and 26 outs on the river - you are a favorite to win this hand.

Your equity with the river to come follows the standard equity calculation guideline of 2 x outs = equity (2 x 26 = 52%). Fairly close to the actual equity of 53.4%. Of course in this example you know your opponent has 2x2x, which you don't always know. If your opponent plays a 25% starting range, then your equity drops from 53% on the turn to 39% on the turn. This is because you have to discount many of the outs you may be calling good. You do not have a nut flush, you do not have a nut straight, pairing your T or 9 may not win the hand. I am only trying to convey that understanding equity at a deeper level is really required. Counting outs is great, but it is only the beginning.
 
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