online poker skills

Hey guys
I heard by some pro that online nl poker is a game for math players and live poker more
math and reads

I am not that good with math and dont understand the advance math of poker so am i screwed!!
What skills do u need to become a winning online poker player besides math???
I understand working out pot odds battle with implied odds and equity
does any one know of an article of equity and implied odds??
thanks allot

I'm surprised no one has answered this. Tbh do not worry about the math aspect of it right now. As a new player just focus on posting hands here that you lost money on or even the ones you won, that way we can critique your play, trust me it helps alot.

You also should pick up Phil gordons little green book. It's a good read for beginners and explains a bit about pot odds and outs

Forget math learn the game. Because when I do the math and my graph is still going down when I know it should be going up... i gets sad

Math is part of the game so I don't think it's good to think of them as if they were completely separate. That said, the overlap isn't complete either, not unless you want to be a "pure" math player, which probably limits your upside since it tends to make you easier to play against. The tricky part is deciding how much math you need / want to incorporate into your game since it's not an all or none proposition.

I think math is one of the most important factors of the game. This is still a math game. You have to resolve and equation with incomplete information after all. You do not have to be a pro at math but you have to have some affinity to statistics and probabilities. Or a trained mind does it easier than an untrained one if that one is not some kind of prodigy.

Title reminded me of this:

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So yeah, if you want the ladies you need great skills!

well while there are some online reads that can be made, i would agree with the pro, but while there is a lot of math involved in poker ... you can actually be successful without being good at math just by playing hands

you don't have to be any kind of math genius to understand what hands have the advantage pre-flop and what kind of hand generally takes down the pot

also, bluffing has a little to do with math (except for semi-bluffs)

finally, everyone knows, without a calculator, that in tourney play you can't lose until you put your last chip in the pot, so if you had 2 players ... 1 very good at math, but also with a very short attn span and very impatient ... vs. another player that could barely add 2 small numbers in their head, but was extremely patient and focused ... well then im betting on the patient dude

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If you're not good at maths just learn the odds of things happening. I presume even somebody who is appaling at maths knows to call 100 with a 1000 in pot with a draw is the correct odds. Most I know roughly now anyway but when I first started playing I calculated all my odds after flop and after turn and combined, wrote them down and say I had odds of 34.97 I would just times money in the pot on 0.3497 and that would tell me how much I needed to be in the pot to justify a call. I'm sure they have a table like the one I made somewhere on the internet. Keep a calculator by your desk and look how mant outs you have on a table, then look at %age then divide by 100 and times by money in pot. Its not even maths, it's just applying a formula.

BlueNowhere said:

If you're not good at maths just learn the odds of things happening. I presume even somebody who is appaling at maths knows to call 100 with a 1000 in pot with a draw is the correct odds. Most I know roughly now anyway but when I first started playing I calculated all my odds after flop and after turn and combined, wrote them down and say I had odds of 34.97 I would just times money in the pot on 0.3497 and that would tell me how much I needed to be in the pot to justify a call. I'm sure they have a table like the one I made somewhere on the internet. Keep a calculator by your desk and look how mant outs you have on a table, then look at %age then divide by 100 and times by money in pot. Its not even maths, it's just applying a formula.

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^^^^^Excellent demonstration of why most people hate poker maths......

yea to complexT use fractions they are more easy!

I don't think you need much math knowledge to be successful at NLHE beyond being able to break down some numbers into some basic fractions and such. I think pretty much everybody can do that. I really hardly ever use math at the tables.

Just odds. I have 8 outs to hit, pot has 50 bucks and Villian bets 40$ into it. so now is it worh calling 40$ to win 90$ on 8 outs? Usually that is a no.

Then the Complex comes into play, How agressive will he bet the turn if you hit or miss, does he come over the top? does he have 1000$ behind? IF you hit wll you get stacked? now calling that 40$ to win 90 ( and possibly his entire stack) looks better to be calling now.

If he is a nit and does not bet often, then usually this is a fold Bcause you hit, and check raise him, he always lays down and you get no vaulea nd you take an unessisary risk.

welcome to poker.

darkassassin89 said:

Just odds. I have 8 outs to hit, pot has 50 bucks and Villian bets 40$ into it. so now is it worh calling 40$ to win 90$ on 8 outs? Usually that is a no.

Then the Complex comes into play, How agressive will he bet the turn if you hit or miss, does he come over the top? does he have 1000$ behind? IF you hit wll you get stacked? now calling that 40$ to win 90 ( and possibly his entire stack) looks better to be calling now.

If he is a nit and does not bet often, then usually this is a fold Bcause you hit, and check raise him, he always lays down and you get no vaulea nd you take an unessisary risk.

welcome to poker.

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If you're betting $40 into a pot of $50 dollars you're not betting to win winning $90 you're betting to win $50. The way you phrased you're getting 9/4 when you're actually getting odds of 5/4, jsust over even money.

Every decision in poker comes down to math. Actually pretty much every decision in life is an EV calculation.

I think, inevitably, the more you learn about the game you realize how much math there is to learn -- it's a lot.

baudib1 said:

Actually pretty much every decision in life is an EV calculation.

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That might depend on personality type, and in particular whether you are more of a thinking or feeling type of personality:
http://www.socionics.com/main/types.htm

I think, inevitably, the more you learn about the game you realize how much math there is to learn -- it's a lot.

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Very, very true. Although poker tracking software can do a lot of the number-crunching for you, you still need to be able to interpret the data.

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WVHillbilly said:

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+1

BlueNowhere said:

If you're betting $40 into a pot of $50 dollars you're not betting to win winning $90 you're betting to win $50. The way you phrased you're getting 9/4 when you're actually getting odds of 5/4, jsust over even money.

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Villian bets, not you betting after he puts the mula in the pot then you are calling or raising

It is true that an ability to read the other players is an advantage in live play, but you will also need a pretty sound understanding of pot odds and outs to succeed at any but the most basic level. In online play, you can get assistance from trackers and calculators and (at most sites) the size of the pot and of the bets is continuously displayed to further help you.

None of that is available at the casino and you need a sufficient grasp of mental arithmetic to be able to (at least approximately) keep in your head the running total of the pot and compare that with the price to call and with your outs. If you can`t do that, you will struggle to know where you are in the hand and will inevitably make some bad decisions.

baudib1 said:

Every decision in poker comes down to math.
I think, inevitably, the more you learn about the game you realize how much math there is to learn -- it's a lot.

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This ^ 100% (< oops... more 'math' lol)

fugitive67 said:

you don't have to be any kind of math genius to understand what hands have the advantage pre-flop and what kind of hand generally takes down the pot
Pretty sure there's alot more math in poker then knowing what hands are ahead in pre-flop situations.
, so if you had 2 players ... 1 very good at math, but also with a very short attn span and very impatient ... vs. another player that could barely add 2 small numbers in their head, but was extremely patient and focused ... well then im betting on the patient dude

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Ok.. how much? I'll even give you odds (< but that'd include some more math)

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Math is definitely good to have when you're palying online. If you can calculate the odds of you winning and if they are in your favor according to the bet size, its a call. A lot of online players are aggressive too. Try gettinga good hand and baiting them.

ph0n3_j4ck said:

Math is definitely good to have when you're palying online. If you can calculate the odds of you winning and if they are in your favor according to the bet size, its a call. A lot of online players are aggressive too. Try gettinga good hand and baiting them.

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This is true, but most of it comes down to luck and skill. Math can only help you so much.

You need some math. 52 cards. You start with 2. So do the other players (if we are talking he here). There is a pot. Every one (still) has a stack. Someone may have bet. Someone may have called. It is your turn. You have a position and 2 cards, and you know what is in the pot, what has happened so far, and how many people have acted, and how, how many still act and what their stacks are. Do you fold, call or raise??? Math will help you a lot to make the correct decision in many cases.

If you got to high school and passed the 8th grade, you have the basic math you need to deal with this.

As far as whether you use it correctly or nor, and whether math is what you need in this particular spot or not, well.........