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online poker skills
Hey guys
I heard by some pro that online nl poker is a game for math players and live poker more math and reads I am not that good with math and dont understand the advance math of poker so am i screwed!! What skills do u need to become a winning online poker player besides math??? I understand working out pot odds battle with implied odds and equity does any one know of an article of equity and implied odds?? thanks allot 
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I'm surprised no one has answered this. Tbh do not worry about the math aspect of it right now. As a new player just focus on posting hands here that you lost money on or even the ones you won, that way we can critique your play, trust me it helps alot.
You also should pick up Phil gordons little green book. It's a good read for beginners and explains a bit about pot odds and outs 
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Math is part of the game so I don't think it's good to think of them as if they were completely separate. That said, the overlap isn't complete either, not unless you want to be a "pure" math player, which probably limits your upside since it tends to make you easier to play against. The tricky part is deciding how much math you need / want to incorporate into your game since it's not an all or none proposition.

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I think math is one of the most important factors of the game. This is still a math game. You have to resolve and equation with incomplete information after all. You do not have to be a pro at math but you have to have some affinity to statistics and probabilities. Or a trained mind does it easier than an untrained one if that one is not some kind of prodigy.

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well while there are some online reads that can be made, i would agree with the pro, but while there is a lot of math involved in poker ... you can actually be successful without being good at math just by playing hands
you don't have to be any kind of math genius to understand what hands have the advantage preflop and what kind of hand generally takes down the pot also, bluffing has a little to do with math (except for semibluffs) finally, everyone knows, without a calculator, that in tourney play you can't lose until you put your last chip in the pot, so if you had 2 players ... 1 very good at math, but also with a very short attn span and very impatient ... vs. another player that could barely add 2 small numbers in their head, but was extremely patient and focused ... well then im betting on the patient dude 
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If you're not good at maths just learn the odds of things happening. I presume even somebody who is appaling at maths knows to call 100 with a 1000 in pot with a draw is the correct odds. Most I know roughly now anyway but when I first started playing I calculated all my odds after flop and after turn and combined, wrote them down and say I had odds of 34.97 I would just times money in the pot on 0.3497 and that would tell me how much I needed to be in the pot to justify a call. I'm sure they have a table like the one I made somewhere on the internet. Keep a calculator by your desk and look how mant outs you have on a table, then look at %age then divide by 100 and times by money in pot. Its not even maths, it's just applying a formula.

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Just odds. I have 8 outs to hit, pot has 50 bucks and Villian bets 40$ into it. so now is it worh calling 40$ to win 90$ on 8 outs? Usually that is a no.
Then the Complex comes into play, How agressive will he bet the turn if you hit or miss, does he come over the top? does he have 1000$ behind? IF you hit wll you get stacked? now calling that 40$ to win 90 ( and possibly his entire stack) looks better to be calling now. If he is a nit and does not bet often, then usually this is a fold Bcause you hit, and check raise him, he always lays down and you get no vaulea nd you take an unessisary risk. welcome to poker. 
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It is true that an ability to read the other players is an advantage in live play, but you will also need a pretty sound understanding of pot odds and outs to succeed at any but the most basic level. In online play, you can get assistance from trackers and calculators and (at most sites) the size of the pot and of the bets is continuously displayed to further help you.
None of that is available at the casino and you need a sufficient grasp of mental arithmetic to be able to (at least approximately) keep in your head the running total of the pot and compare that with the price to call and with your outs. If you can`t do that, you will struggle to know where you are in the hand and will inevitably make some bad decisions. 
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Math is definitely good to have when you're palying online. If you can calculate the odds of you winning and if they are in your favor according to the bet size, its a call. A lot of online players are aggressive too. Try gettinga good hand and baiting them.

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This is true, but most of it comes down to luck and skill. Math can only help you so much. 
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You need some math. 52 cards. You start with 2. So do the other players (if we are talking he here). There is a pot. Every one (still) has a stack. Someone may have bet. Someone may have called. It is your turn. You have a position and 2 cards, and you know what is in the pot, what has happened so far, and how many people have acted, and how, how many still act and what their stacks are. Do you fold, call or raise??? Math will help you a lot to make the correct decision in many cases.
If you got to high school and passed the 8th grade, you have the basic math you need to deal with this. As far as whether you use it correctly or nor, and whether math is what you need in this particular spot or not, well......... 
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Math can help you go from a mediocre player to a good player. Odds and outs are the first thing you should learn and then you should learn how to calculate equity. Like with anything else, it just takes practice, so don't say things like "I'm not good at math". You can be if you study.

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I went thru the same thing, once u get a basic knowledge of it, it just kind of sticks with u, but I realized it can only help u out, it's not perfect, u still need to take into account that there's pure chance,meaning u can go allin with pocket A's and the other player will still hit 4 suited cards to hit a flush just saying it's not all set in stone, but having a good basic knowledge of it does help.

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Math has a place in the decision making process, but reads will be as important if you can read the situation. Many reads are math based, many are not. A good basis in the maths of poker is good, and a bad understanding of the poker maths is bad. 
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