Off Table PT4 Work on my game.....HOW?

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Hello all, me again.

I am looking for some asistance/ideas etc with regards to how to go about doing off the feltz work with analyzing my play in PT4, I'm sure I have leaks and although I am doing well at my current limit (3.5$ stt's) I think "working on my game" is somewhat of a leak in its own.

I prefer to sit and grind and have never really taken time to review my game through analyzing all of the lovely information stored in PT4. Essentially I'm wondering what specifically to go about this with, what kinds of things do you all look for when your reviewing your data?

I am thinking of probably doing a hand filter to have a look at hands where I have folded on the turn to see if perhaps I am floating in spots I shouldn't be. Also thinking of running a filter of hands I have lost on the river having called a bet, etc. Just thinking of things like this.

Essentially because I have never looked to do this kind of work on my game I somewhat am not sure where to start and I would appreciated any feedback that can be provided. I know I am grinding stt's and its a little different than cash games etc but in essence a hand is a hand and I know the cash grinders all do lots of work on analyzing their hands themselves and posting in their threads for feedback etc. I would like to start doing the same but am sure I could use some assistance in getting started.

I have noticed some things just from playing itself with mistakes I repeated a couple of times that seemed to be getting me in trouble, and have tightened up my game some as well. Just this alone seems to be paying off, but am sure there are going to be more spots and such as I move up the limits and so I want to get a start on learning how to properly do off table work and analysis now before not having done so gets expensive.

Thanks for any and all info you can provide, no matter how small a point it might seem that you could contribute anything and everything is appreciated for a noob game analalyzer :D
 
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in ...nice thread, could learn a thing or two myself here :D

suppose you could start with posting your stats like vpip/pfr/3bet/cbet and RFI (raise first in) from all positions...might give us an idea on your positional awareness....also things like steal from the sb and btn....also what your defence is like on the bb and resteals on the sb......things like your WTSD and W$SD

then you could analyze hands doing the full range analysis


have you got leakbuster?
 
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in ...nice thread, could learn a thing or two myself here :D

suppose you could start with posting your stats like vpip/pfr/3bet/cbet and RFI (raise first in) from all positions...might give us an idea on your positional awareness....also things like steal from the sb and btn....also what your defence is like on the bb and resteals on the sb......things like your WTSD and W$SD

then you could analyze hands doing the full range analysis


have you got leakbuster?

Some of those things are a little diff when it comes to stt's, I don't know how much WTSD or W$SD are applicable to stt's given its chips and not $$ as such. I will have a look this evening and see what stats do show up on the tourny side in PT4.

No leakbuster, PT4 has an analyser type thing but again its just on the cash side but it has a statistics for the stt side I think. I will have to take a look through it this evening and see what I can find to post up for feedback, but as indicated in general regarding hand analysis is wondering what to go back and report on type spots.
 
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So In my statistics that I can see in PT4 for stt's, reg and turbo speed Ko's and regular stt's:

January:
Tournaments: 404
hands: 21,422
VPIP: 23.78
PFR: 20.32
Total AFq: 56.06
WTSD %: 49.69
WSD: 53.27

February *So Far:
Tournaments: 169
hands: 8801
VPIP: 20.92
PFR: 17.64
Total AFq: 51.25
WTSD %: 49.13
WSD: 55.81

So you can see I tightened up with VPIP droping about 3% and agression frequency dropping 5% and won at showdown is up about 2.5%.

Also just found how to display these stats by position. however i'm not sure if a lot of it is fully relevant to determining leaks etc with regards to stt's. This is because with the blinds increasing it slews how active I am in the sb given in many cases i'm raising to steal the bb, but I'm sure someone might have some input. I think I really need to read some documentation on PT4 and learn how to use it. But hopefully someone have some input based on this maybe. Attached are the breakdown of stats by position for each month.

I'm just wondering if perhaps the tracker isn't as effective for analyzing data from tourney style games, anyone out there use it for analyzing your game outside of cash play?????
 

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I haven't tried to analyse my play in sng/mtts yet and don't really know which stats are useful and what they should be for SNGs, so can't really help you I'm afraid. You are probably right that stats analysis is less informative for sng/mtt because of the increasing blinds and different number of players at the table skewing things, but there must be something we can learn! Hopefully someone who has done this before can help.
 
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Glad I'm not the only one that isn't sure of what to look at stat wise when it comes to non-cash. I guess perhaps a big thing to be looking at are my shove and fold spots in relation to icm, will have to do some more research this evening I guess.

On the side of cash games though I'm sure you have done analysis on your data, do you run reports looking for spots or are you flagging hands as you go along for review later?
 
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stats look pretty solid....although you do have a highish pfr stat from ep at 15%...you must be opening up a few marginal/speculative hands from there right?....do you usually do this in the early stages of tourneys or is it in the later stages?

also your right about WTSD being mainly cash game orientated although it seems to work on tourneys too since it shows up.....i seen recently that it should be at about 30-35% WTSD and obv higher for W$SD....so that stat seems quite big too

we would need to get a few well practiced analyzers in here coz im just starting it the same as you lol....

still think we can learn from the stats even though its not for cash games...the stats could get abit funky in the late game when the blinds are getting big and we make all different plays to keep up...so that could distort our stats abit but i think it could be relevant to the early/mid game.
 
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SNIP<<<<

February *So Far:
Tournaments: 169
hands: 8801
VPIP: 20.92
PFR: 17.64
Total AFq: 51.25
WTSD %: 49.13
WSD: 55.81
>>>>SNIP

I'm by no means an expert at poker or this depth of hand analysis, but am I right at reading the bolded stats above that ~ 90% of the time you went to the showdown you won the pot? If so, that sounds like a fantastic win rate.

Jamie
 
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Glad I'm not the only one that isn't sure of what to look at stat wise when it comes to non-cash. I guess perhaps a big thing to be looking at are my shove and fold spots in relation to icm, will have to do some more research this evening I guess.

On the side of cash games though I'm sure you have done analysis on your data, do you run reports looking for spots or are you flagging hands as you go along for review later?

Not really run reports or anything just looked at my overall stats by position. I used the PT4 leak buster thingy but it told me all my stats were fine so not that useful really! And yeah I tag hands as I play, in cash or sng/mtt, and review them later (if I can be bothered, I think like you I kind of just want to play rather than spend hours analysing my stats :) but it's something I should probably do more)
 
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I'm by no means an expert at poker or this depth of hand analysis, but am I right at reading the bolded stats above that ~ 90% of the time you went to the showdown you won the pot? If so, that sounds like a fantastic win rate.

Jamie

No, he went to show down (WTSD) 50% of the time, and of those times he won show down (WSD) 56% of the time.
 
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Not too much to contribute (yet) but just wanted to say that I am learning some great stuff here too, so paws up to the OP. I'm subscribing ;)
 
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For anyone interested, went back through the golden archives today (do it from time to time when looking to review something already gone through), and came accross the link below. It's obviously older on an older version of pt but I'm sure with some picking around I can manage to run similar reports in the new PT4, and at least this gives me a good starting point.

https://www.cardschat.com/f49/analyzing-your-tournament-play-using-pokertracker-82641/

**Also a bump as would still love to have input from anyone who perhaps plays stt's, or tournies and uses their tracker for analysis. Even from the cash game guys in regards to what specifically you search your data for if you want to review but haven't flagged hands**
 
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In. I really need to learn how to analyze myself on PT4 even though I am not sure I can check my stats anymore as the trial ended hehe.

Would love to learn how to do it tho, so when I get the paid version of pt4 I will know what I am doing with it :D

Graet thread Dave, GL :D
 
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