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Odds are really odds? Or just the hope of odds/luck?
Leaving aside the winning odds of AA or KK preflop and the head to head matches, the odds calculation before and after the Flop, the Turn and the River, are all made under the asumption that the cards you need are still in the deck, but actually you don't know if they are still there or if they were dealt to the rest of the players. So, does that make them just a hope?
This is what I'm thinking lately, and this is the moment where enters the ability to read people, and do or call bluffes.
This is just a thought, what do you think people?. Also my apologies for my english, not my nature language
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Both, if I understand you correctly. The odds only take into account the cards that the person who is trying to interpret the odds knows about, i.e., the ones in his hand and the ones face up on the table. The rest of the cards 'could' still be in play, which is what the person interpreting the odds is hoping. That's the only way it can work.
However, most of us know that our opponent is most likely holding face cards, AX, suited connectors/gappers or a pair. That knowledge combined with any significant betting allows us to refine the odds quite a bit, to the point where we often do know what our opponent is holding.
20th February 2018, 5:56 PM
Egorov Alex 
Poker at: pokerstars
re: Poker & Odds are really odds? Or just the hope of odds/luck?
in this case, there is only your understanding of the stack drawing. you are playing, gain experience. experience will tell you what to do in a difficult situation. playing you can take into account the chances of finding the cards you need in the deck, without taking into account that they have already thrown off the apponents in the pass. you rely on yourself and your passion, which may not in any bad time to tell you all!
1st March 2018, 1:45 PM
Vlad Savchenko 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
That is just the way basic math works.It just doesn`t matter, whether some of your outs are dead. Let me show you a simplified example.
Let`s say you`re playing heads up and there are 10 cards left in the deck and you have 1 chance to draw 1 out.
So your odds are 1\10 * 100% = 10%.
Now let`s calculate it another way.
Since your opponent is holding 2 cards, there is 20% chance that he is holding your out.
1. 20% of the time you are dead. Equity = 0%.
2. 80% of the time you are drawing to 1 of 8 cards (remember, your opponent has 2 cards that can`t help you). Equity = 12.5%.