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has any one run into where the opponent is checking on the river when there holding the nuts, like big full houses, nut straights, and sets i know sometimes its to induce a check raise but its even happening when there last to act.

missing a lot of value just doesnt make sense. and its been happening a lot, lucky for me cause ive been strong in a few of these pots so saved me some chips.
 
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People at smaller mistakes will make a lot of those mistakes. Be grateful of course. It won't happen as you move up. :)
 
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Yeah, I see this pretty often at the micros. I sometimes assume it's because I am likely to bet behind them, if they check, although not as often as they think if I have a hand that can stand a showdown but not a call. But, I've also seen it where I check and they check behind, or I bet and they just call with the nuts.

I am not sure if it's because they don't know if they have the absolute nuts or not. Like someone who holds J-8 on a 7-9-10-A-3 board. They might be worried about a bigger straight, not realizing that it's not possible. They may have lost with straights before and not know for sure when they can't be beat.

I have seen someone check down quads though. I don't know what he was thinking.

I appreciate these people. They save me a lot of money and make playing them easy. They don't put me to any hard decisions.
 
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It does catch me out every once in a while but I only find it in the micro stakes. To be honest, it's not a winning strategy so it won't get them far and if they're not knocked out pretty soon, you'll probably leave them behind in the lower stakes as you improve
 
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Sounds like me. :(

Or hopefully sounds like me last week. I haven't been playing very long and as I am learning I was checking quite a lot on anything as I didn't understand enough about the game. Almost a mentality of "I have the best hand, I will win this when we get to the end". Completely missing the point that accumulating chips is pretty important too.

Indeed I think it was this behaviour which has seen me scraping along down the bottom of the chip ranking during MTTs. Now identified, hopefully fixed :D
 
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Sounds like me. :(

Or hopefully sounds like me last week. I haven't been playing very long and as I am learning I was checking quite a lot on anything as I didn't understand enough about the game. Almost a mentality of "I have the best hand, I will win this when we get to the end". Completely missing the point that accumulating chips is pretty important too.

Indeed I think it was this behaviour which has seen me scraping along down the bottom of the chip ranking during MTTs. Now identified, hopefully fixed :D

This is good and honest self-evaluation. And, you bring up something that probably plays a role that I wasn't thinking about. A lot of players might want to show down a winner, because poker is a game of having the best hand and they finally have it. They're not considering that poker is about getting the most chips from each hand (or losing the least when it's a bad hand). If they bet and the other player folds, it almost feels like it made having the best hand pointless because no one else knows about it.

Obviously, that's not the best way to approach the game, but I can see it as something new or casual players might do. It is much better to just go for value, and if you don't get called then you got as much value as you would have from checking it down. If you do get called, not only do you get to show them a winner but you also make extra from it. :D
 
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they become really easy to play against, on the river you can just bet and if they have it they will tell you
 
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Checking the nuts last to act on the river is a mistake that some less experienced players make. But Phil Ivey folded the best hand at the wsop main event a few years ago, so everyone makes mistakes.
 
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Checking the nuts last to act on the river is a mistake that some less experienced players make. But Phil Ivey folded the best hand at the WSOP main event a few years ago, so everyone makes mistakes.

It's actually against the rules in most live tourneys, including the WSOP.
 
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I actually thinking that checking the absolute nuts 3 times is one of the sneakiest/best plays in the game when you're OOP. First, if it is something like quads with 3 on board, your only hope is an out of line full house bet or bluff. If it is more visible like royal flush, you're only getting paid here (usually) by strong, but weaker flushes that think royal wouldn't play slow or like a turned/rivered boat that assumes they've beaten a normal flush... or, again, a bluff. So usually you're trying to get anything you can out of someone and that's usually going to come in the form of a bluff. Watch most pros in either cash or tourneys and in both they rarely play the absolute nuts super strong unless doing so (leveling) to appear weak.
 
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what the most popular error associated with beginners inserts players?
 
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