New to the Game - Attempting an Ultra-Fast Rise, Advice

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Hello to you all at cardschat!

I am attempting to advance extremely quickly in poker. My experience to date consists of freerolls and theory - reading tons of poker books, strategy articles, forum archives, videos etc. My goal is a to earn a $30/hour rate (live or online) in 3 months. I realize that this is going to be incredibly challenging, I'm expecting some criticism here, but this is what I want to try.

Some background info - I live in the U.S. The Nearest Casino (Foxwoods) is a 1.5 hour drive. Moving out of the U.S to play online will be possible in 3 months. I can dedicate 40 hours/wk to playing and studying the game. IQ roughly 135, not a genius by any means but I am mathematically inclined. High self discipline. Roughly 4 grand bankroll. no other income source atm.

I'm looking for some general advice. Is this plan even possible for someone in my position? If not, how could I make it so? And most importantly, how would you all who have experience go about it? Looking for you who have made it before me to lay some insight on the best path to take.

Looking forward to everyone's advice! and spending a lot of time here
 
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Just put the whole 4k on black every 3 weeks until you lose. You will only have to work for 5 min every 3 weeks to earn your 30$ an hour (40 hour weeks). You actually would end up a little better than this but you knew that because you are a math wiz.

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There are some good sites that accept US poker players. Bovada and CarbonPoker are both good sites that allow US players.
Best of luck
 
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This is a terrible forum for this thread. Will move it to Learning Poker.
 
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Just put the whole 4k on black every 3 weeks until you lose. You will only have to work for 5 min every 3 weeks to earn your 30$ an hour (40 hour weeks). You actually would end up a little better than this but you knew that because you are a math wiz.

:albertein

This is by no means an egoic thread. Your hostility is not appreciated, If you have something helpful to contribute then please do, otherwise don't waste our time.

There are some good sites that accept US poker players. Bovada and CarbonPoker are both good sites that allow US players.
Best of luck

thanks man. I am concerned about withdrawls as a U.S. Player. Will consider a small deposit as a learning tool, but I am skeptical as to ever getting my money out and back to the U.S.

Im not surprised, you're aspirations are somewhat ridiculous.

I'm aware of it. I'm still going to try. Looking for advice from someone who has gotten to that winrate. have you?
 
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This is by no means an egoic thread. Your hostility is not appreciated, If you have something helpful to contribute then please do, otherwise don't waste our time.
LOL

I am 100% serious the plan I layed out will work way better than trying to double your money threw poker every 3 weeks. I am not being hostile I am being realistic.

Are you trying to make a living off of gambling or not?

If you think my advice is bad but your plan is good then you are crazy.
 
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First off, good luck on reaching you goal. I would say its a lofty one, but attainable. I hope that Poker will not be your only form of employment, but being able to dedicate that much time sounds like it may be. I suggest not to let Poker be the main or only source of income until you can reasonably decide that it keep you in the black and not the red.
 
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I want this to work for you. Good Luck.

Have you ever mastered anything in 3 months?
How often do you gamble? Whats the biggest gamble you have taken?
Why will you be better than the other people already doing this?
How long do you think it took them to be able to do what you want to do?
Do you think people already doing it ever lose there roll?
Is there some reason you think it will be easy to take money from people who all want to take your money?
How much do you love playing games?
Are you thinking it will be anything like the free games you have been playing?

And a million more questions after that just to start. Do you think you could answer a million of these kind of questions in 3 months?


There is a lot of variables I dont think you are taking into account.
 
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First off, good luck on reaching you goal. I would say its a lofty one, but attainable. I hope that Poker will not be your only form of employment, but being able to dedicate that much time sounds like it may be. I suggest not to let Poker be the main or only source of income until you can reasonably decide that it keep you in the black and not the red.
this guy knows what hes talking about....+1
 
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Be sure to quickly move on from the nay sayers. Anything is possible.

Also always remember
black and not the red
 
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No secret really, the internet allows one to play lots of poker, less true for U.S. players since Black Friday obviously. Buy Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker, play lots of hands, study your results, learn, apply the learning at more tables. etc. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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First off, good luck on reaching you goal. I would say its a lofty one, but attainable. I hope that Poker will not be your only form of employment, but being able to dedicate that much time sounds like it may be. I suggest not to let Poker be the main or only source of income until you can reasonably decide that it keep you in the black and not the red.

thanks, great to hear that a few of you think it can be done. I'm planning on poker as a sole income source, but I have a buffer to hold me over for roughly 3 months or so while I learn. I will have a Mechanical Engineering degree in 3months to use it as a fallback, or I will pick up a restaraunt job to keep myself afloat.

Be sure to quickly move on from the nay sayers. Anything is possible.

Also always remember

thanks man!

No secret really, the internet allows one to play lots of poker, less true for U.S. players since Black Friday obviously. Buy Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker, play lots of hands, study your results, learn, apply the learning at more tables. etc. Wash, rinse, repeat.

thanks for the advice, I plan to consider online poker as a learning investment. Am I correct in thinking that the worst that could happen is not being able to get money out?
 
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I want this to work for you. Good Luck.

Have you ever mastered anything in 3 months?
How often do you gamble? Whats the biggest gamble you have taken?
Why will you be better than the other people already doing this?
How long do you think it took them to be able to do what you want to do?
Do you think people already doing it ever lose there roll?
Is there some reason you think it will be easy to take money from people who all want to take your money?
How much do you love playing games?
Are you thinking it will be anything like the free games you have been playing?

And a million more questions after that just to start. Do you think you could answer a million of these kind of questions in 3 months?


There is a lot of variables I dont think you are taking into account.

Awesome Post - I'll do my best

1) I would relate it to weight lifting. After years of ineffective, on/off lifting I recently got serious about it, studied and implemented and transformed my scrawny ass by gaining 20 lbs of muscle in about two months and reducing bodyfat %
2) Do not gamble. I view poker as a skill to be mastered. Biggest Risk - will be pursuing this instead of opting for the easy-out Mechanical Engineering Job.
3) Because of time put into the game, dedication, study. No drinking or tilting and other bullshit
4) I think I am trying to do what takes most people 2-3 years, in 3 months.
5) Depends on the individual. Most likely yes, depends on BR management and life situations that come up.
6) I think there are enough fish out there
7) I like playing poker more than any other money-producing activity i can think of
8)Nope. I am done playing freerolls, I don't think I'm getting much value from them.
9) Hell yea! hopefully I will be able to answer far more and far more accurately
 
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Am I correct in thinking that the worst that could happen is not being able to get money out?

Nope. I'd assume the worst that could happen is you losing a 4k bankroll. But thats just an assumption. Wait no, that IS the worst that could happen lol
 
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Since you are trying to get to a goal aggressively, you have to play aggressively. There is no time to learn solid fundamentals, you need to get lucky, in a hurry, and none of us know how to teach you how to get lucky.

Do you feel lucky? Was that 6 shots or only 5? The sarcasm was not hostility, it was meant to get a laugh.

While we all wish you good luck, few of us think it can happen in so short a time.
 
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Since you are trying to get to a goal aggressively, you have to play aggressively. There is no time to learn solid fundamentals, you need to get lucky, in a hurry, and none of us know how to teach you how to get lucky.

Do you feel lucky? Was that 6 shots or only 5? The sarcasm was not hostility, it was meant to get a laugh.

While we all wish you good luck, few of us think it can happen in so short a time.

get lucky meaning - push upward through stakes aggressively? play beyond proper BR management?

I intend to do the former and avoid the latter. or did you mean something else?
 
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Have you ever mastered anything in 3 months?
This ^

Well, I don't have very high hopes for your 3 month goal, but it's just a goal anyway, so if you don't make it in 3 months, I'm sure the progress you make will be worth the effort. Like others have said, buy a HUD, study, study, practice, practice more, and study.
 
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Without wanting to judge one way or the other, I'll just throw this out there: if you're playing live, then three months isn't really long enough to nail down your ROI / $ per hour numbers.

You've said you have 40 hours per week in which to play AND study. For the sake of the argument let's dedicate all those hours to playing. 40 hours x 13 weeks = 520 hours. Live poker only deals about 20 hands per hour (maybe 25 if you get an ideal dealer and player combination) so you're only going to be seeing somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 hands in that time - less if you take time to study too. That's not very many hands in the grand scheme of things, and it's certainly a period in which luck can play a bigger role than skill.
 
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Your plan is fine but for all the other players who want to win also. If you are talented enough and dedicated enough it may work but be forewarned it is no cakewalk . Good luck and best wishes.
 
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I want this to work for you. Good Luck.

Have you ever mastered anything in 3 months?
How often do you gamble? Whats the biggest gamble you have taken?
Why will you be better than the other people already doing this?
How long do you think it took them to be able to do what you want to do?
Do you think people already doing it ever lose there roll?
Is there some reason you think it will be easy to take money from people who all want to take your money?
How much do you love playing games?
Are you thinking it will be anything like the free games you have been playing?

And a million more questions after that just to start. Do you think you could answer a million of these kind of questions in 3 months?


There is a lot of variables I dont think you are taking into account.

These are good questions.

But at OP you can't master or even come close in 3 months. Just go to your local casino and see how many players with high ambitions you will meet! :)


BEST ADVICE!!! Play and learn poker as a "secondary" hobby alongside a stable job (love or hate) until you notice a vast improvement to your poker thinking and results!

Good luck out there fishy ;)
 
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Awesome Post - I'll do my best

1) I would relate it to weight lifting. After years of ineffective, on/off lifting I recently got serious about it, studied and implemented and transformed my scrawny ass by gaining 20 lbs of muscle in about two months and reducing bodyfat %
2) Do not gamble. I view poker as a skill to be mastered. Biggest Risk - will be pursuing this instead of opting for the easy-out Mechanical Engineering Job.
3) Because of time put into the game, dedication, study. No drinking or tilting and other bullshit
4) I think I am trying to do what takes most people 2-3 years, in 3 months.
5) Depends on the individual. Most likely yes, depends on BR management and life situations that come up.
6) I think there are enough fish out there
7) I like playing poker more than any other money-producing activity i can think of
8)Nope. I am done playing freerolls, I don't think I'm getting much value from them.
9) Hell yea! hopefully I will be able to answer far more and far more accurately

1) You never mastered weight lifting. You lost weight. I don't consider everybody in a gym exercising to be "pro" or even "amateur" weight lifters/ body builders.
2) Don't throw away an entire career to pursue poker.. Why not pursue both??
3) Saying you won't ever go on Tilt is like saying you won't ever lose a hand.
4) It takes a lifetime buddy. Constant improvements must be made to your game.
6) Indeed, don't join them.
7) Well.... it is a game...
8) No shit they are free.

I'm just saying man.. Yeah it is really exciting and awesome to imagine yourself playing poker for a living. Millions of people attempt to do this each year and fail. Just keep your options open...

Becoming a pro poker player is as physically and even more mentally taxing then being a pro athlete. :rolleyes:
 
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Okay well my suggestion is to go on meetups and find some home games around you. They will be softer than the casino and prob a lot closer. There may even be a game around you tonight and will help you get a feel for playing live.
 
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get lucky meaning - push upward through stakes aggressively? play beyond proper BR management?

I intend to do the former and avoid the latter. or did you mean something else?

Nothing other than get lucky. You will have to win more than your share of races, get dealt better than average hands, and find more than your share of fishes.

Your position reminds me of the young buck driver we here in L.A. see often. He darts in and out of traffic thinking he is winning the race to the Supermarket. But during that trip, he has passed me five times, and always seemed to end up in the wrong lane at the stop lights. He pulls into the parking lot just ahead of me, which is exactly where he started, as he got to the first stop light just ahead of me.

His approach to driving is speed related, mine is economy related. He gets speeding tickets, I get gas discounts.:D
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