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IMO which isn't much, lol, they got lucky. I probably would have folded the AK with their all in raise however it still left you with plenty of chips so some may say it is worth the call. I do not know the probabilities of AK hitting, I would have wanted to see the flop before calling it.
I would be interested in what the regular tourney players suggest as I only play the CC ones and tank terribly at sngs.
 
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Kinda depends on what the villian had been playing like previously...I don't mind the call at all if the villian has been making super agro plays. Pushing for 50bb smells a bit fishy.
 
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I'm experienced but not the best here at CC to answer this.

What I would do..your 2nd highest in chips he is holding 1/3 of your chips, he goes all in on the button and only you and him in it with you holding AK in the BB...

CALL

You got unlucky on the turn imo, hopefully someone will come in with stats and stuff.

I could even be wrong, but will learn as well :)
 
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yeah. ya gotta give us a bit more info. do you have any reads on the villain? any stats?
 
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I agree with mft that how the player has been playing and what you have seen him raise with makes a big difference. I personally don't like calling preflop all in bets because it encourages this kind of donkey play. If everyone folded all hands, even AA and KK, whenever someone went all in pre flop people would stop doing it (unless they want to win only the blinds, not applicable in this situation, but they might get called late in a tourney if the blinds are worth protecting.) Plus it would force people like the one above to learn to raise his sevens, you would reraise, and he would probably fold. If he did call then the flop would come giving you a pair of kings. Would he then bet into your preflop raise? Probably not and if he did you could reraise again. At that point you might decide to slow play (check or minimum bet) or bet the pot at which point he makes a decision based on your bet. If indeed you don't bet him off his pair and he trips on the turn, perhaps he tries to trap you, in which case your screwed. I guess my point is that this is how poker is supposed to be played, not before the flop. This is a perfest example of someone who pushed all in and won the hand and didn't do anything to earn it. We call it donkey but in reality it's all of us catering to a simpler game where skill is taken out of the equation and luck is the prodimanent factor. Then people come on here and bitch about getting donked and ask how to play AK preflop against an all in raise. I say FOLD EM!!
 
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yeah. ya gotta give us a bit more info. do you have any reads on the villain? any stats?

Ya I would play the way I suggested in a FR but I would prob think more if it was a buy in MTT/Sng. Also if you have any reads on your opponent.
 
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Just wondering how the other guy had been playing before this hand if he had been raising all in every time he got an ace rag then it was the only call to make. If they had only been raising big hands preflop then it may have been a little ambitious calling with a 50/50 hand . A little more info would help . I dont believe it was a stupid call by any means with the stacks and the cards you had but it depends on what you knew about the other player
 
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So if I saw the right hand the blinds were 50/100, two limpers and then he shoves a 5k stack to win 350 chips. That is a really bad play on his part risk v. reward wise.

Depending on reads and such I don't mind the call and you will be in position to crush the table, at the same time you are behind any pocket pair AK is a chop and you praying he has, KQ, AQ, possibly AJ. and worst of all you have no fold equity.

I wouldn't hate a fold here either. With the chip lead my call or fold really depends on the reads of the villian. What are the stakes of the game $1SNG, $1MTT, or did I just miss it?
 
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I would have shoved instead of flat calling. By flatting it you are inviting another person into a call, and with AK we do not want that, you want isolation. Other than that, standard coinflip you lost
 
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ok..thanks for this...if i lose a hand & learn from it then i guess i did not really lose..;)
 
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IMO its a bad play. You had about 140 BB and the villan had about 50B.

Calling an all in with AK isnt a bad play when faced aganst a shortstack (20BB) or if you are shortstacked.

with deep stacks, the villian isnt forced to play non-premium hands with such agression. Although he had a 77, he was very likely to be making this play with AA.

AK against a made pair is a slight underdog.

He is unlikely to be raising so big with nothing (im surprised he did it with 77 but thats not the point!!)

So with AK against such a raise from a player stacked sufficiently not to be forced to make such a raise.. id say fold.

In a short stack situation id say call.. but it was a med - deep stack situation.
 
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Fold pre or decide to race. I may have waited for a better spot, but you will need to win a race to win the tourny. Well played. Next tourny please.
 
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You gotta believe you'll be racing if you make the call. A third of your stack is a bit much to flip for in this situation, ESPECIALLY considering there is still a deeper stack than you yet to act. Best to fold in this spot.
 
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thas a hard fold but something ill work on.,.the hard part is how to know when to fold AK & when to push i guess
 
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