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Brodermatt

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I have been playing poker online now for about 4 years now, but have nothing to show for it! I would like to say I'm the unluckiest player in the world with some of the sick stuff that happens to me!
When I make the best possible moves and the odds are in my favor, I have a sick feeling that my opponents will get lucky turn and rivers!

Maybe it's because I play micro stakes and there is less care involved than higher buy in tournaments!
 
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You should wactch videos and ask questions here, learn how to control tilt and p[lay within your bankroll. Browse the forum and pick up some opinions
 
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Bankroll is the main issue! I'm forever topping up my account! Tilting is the main cause of me going broke! What is the recommended bankroll to start with? And what's the limit buy in for a tourney player?
 
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...I would like to say I'm the unluckiest player in the world with some of the sick stuff that happens to me!

I'm not a good poker player (perhaps not even an average one :D) but I think that the first thing you need to improve is your mind. Statements like the one I quoted from you doesn't help your game.

Review the hands you lost, ask for opinions here in the forum, there's a lot of good players around here that are willing to help. Dont't resume your hands as luck or unluck. Of course we all been sucked out (a lot of times I must say) but that will always happen. But if you play a good solid poker you will be on top most of the times ;)

Wish you all the best :)
 
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I am more unlucky than you man.. to me happens that even with very strong hand I loose on river... I dont fear going all in with 6h 7h but going all in with AA.. last time I had AA I lost on river with full-house to 4 of a kind... I play only few tournaments when I feel completely at ease .. you should do the same.. Pick up the time when you are totaly fresh and play some tournaments MTT like 0,50 buy-in with 360 ppl and you might end up after 60 minutes with 6 USD or more... :) Give a try and dont think about luck but about the strenght of your cards and also make notes during game...
 
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I am more unlucky than you man.. to me happens that even with very strong hand I loose on river... I dont fear going all in with 6h 7h but going all in with AA.. last time I had AA I lost on river with full-house to 4 of a kind... I play only few tournaments when I feel completely at ease .. you should do the same.. Pick up the time when you are totaly fresh and play some tournaments MTT like 0,50 buy-in with 360 ppl and you might end up after 60 minutes with 6 USD or more... :) Give a try and dont think about luck but about the strenght of your cards and also make notes during game...

Two points:

1. OP --- If you've been playing for four years and you're aren't winning, then "bad luck" is not your issue. It's bad play. Period.

You seem to be aware that tilt is a problem for you. There are several books about the mental game of poker that might help you. I recommend both books by Jared Tendler and the book by Ian Taylor and Matthew Hilger. They give you some strategies to help you beat tilt --- and if you beat your tilt, perhaps you can become a winning player.

You would also likely benefit from posting hands here and getting feedback from the CC community. If you do, you will likely find that your play is not nearly as strong as you think it is (google Dunning Kruger Effect).

2. There is no such thing as luck and, as a result, no one is inherently "lucky" or "unlucky". There is only randomness, which favors nothing and no one in the long term. Those of you that continue to focus on the "luck" aspect of poker are turning your attention to an uncontrollable portion of the game. Does that seem productive to any of you?

-HooDooKoo
 
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Agree with all you wrote HooDooKoo ;)

And I just add one thing:

I don´t understand how a guy that is not a winning player can say that he's a good player and puts all in the luck domain. I know my limits, still have a lot to learn, perhaps I'm not even an average player, and that's a start to improve my game: just realize that I suck looool

This is not an attack to you, just trying to help you seeing poker in another way :)
 
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Agree with all you wrote HooDooKoo ;)

And I just add one thing:

I don´t understand how a guy that is not a winning player can say that he's a good player and puts all in the luck domain. I know my limits, still have a lot to learn, perhaps I'm not even an average player, and that's a start to improve my game: just realize that I suck looool

This is not an attack to you, just trying to help you seeing poker in another way :)

Not sure if this was aimed at me??

If it was, I never once said I was a good player! Clearly not if I can't keep a bankroll! I keep reading that bad beats happen and it happens to all of us, and it hurts short term, but in the long run I will benefit from the bad plays by donkeys! HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS LONG RUN? 4 years is too long lol!

I'm serious about poker, maybe I'm a bit too serious. That could be a reason why I tilt so much!?!?!?
 
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I totally agree with HooDooKoo, man you nailed it as always...
long term luck as some call variance is irrelevant, bad things for tournament is that you cant rely on long term as much as you can at cash games, because busted AA at cash is just one buyin up or down but at tourneys that 18% loosing can mean big money or busto, variance have a slightly bigger role at tourneys, but that doesnt mean that it will always turns out to villains favor, problem is that we only remember bad beats, not remember when we were underdog and won...

To op, do your best to play your best poker possible, if you eventually manage to only lose money due to a bad beats then you will be a huge winner, make this to be your goal at poker and i guarantee you success!!!

GL at the tables!!!
 
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Not sure if this was aimed at me??

If it was, I never once said I was a good player! Clearly not if I can't keep a bankroll! I keep reading that bad beats happen and it happens to all of us, and it hurts short term, but in the long run I will benefit from the bad plays by donkeys! HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS LONG RUN? 4 years is too long lol!

I'm serious about poker, maybe I'm a bit too serious. That could be a reason why I tilt so much!?!?!?

Brodermatt --- The way that you structured and titled your post implies that you believe you are losing because you are "unlucky", not because you believe you are a bad player. Therefore, it was reasonable to assume that you think you are at least an average player that has just been "unlucky". That is why all of the responders got the same impression --- that you think you should be a winning player, but bad luck is holding you back.

The reality is this: bad players lose because they are bad. Good/winning players lose in the short run because they make a bad play (or plays), or they get coolered, or they get sucked out on. In the long-term, though, as long as they are exercising proper bankroll management, the good players win. Some people who are good players lose because they have such poor bankroll management, but that is a separate issue. And some players that are USUALLY good players lose because they spew when they tilt. So they win 95% of the time, but give back their winnings+ when they tilt.

There are many ways to be a losing player, but only one way to be a winning player --- being skilled and exercising good bankroll management. You need to isolate why you are one of the losing players, excluding "luck" as a variable. It is likely a combination of the reasons I've listed above: you probably aren't a strong player to begin with, and then you tilt on top of it. We haven't heard anything about bankroll management from you, but few people are good at it so odds are that you could use some work there, too. None of these things are intended as attacks on you, as most people (around 94%) of online players are losing --- so the odds are pretty good that you're fighting the same "demons" as most of the rest of the online player pool.

If you want to be a winner, do some reading about the mental game and start evaluating and analyzing your play. Learn about bankroll management. And post hands for discussion. If you are willing to study/work at it, you may well find a way to win in the future --- but only if you IGNORE "luck" (because it's NEUTRAL) and focus on the stuff you can control.

Be well.

-HooDooKoo

P.S. Thanks to those of you that have expressed support for my views. Much appreciated.
 
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There are many ways to be a losing player, but only one way to be a winning player --- being skilled and exercising good bankroll management. You need to isolate why you are one of the losing players, excluding "luck" as a variable. It is likely a combination of the reasons I've listed above: you probably aren't a strong player to begin with, and then you tilt on top of it. We haven't heard anything about bankroll management from you, but few people are good at it so odds are that you could use some work there, too. None of these things are intended as attacks on you, as most people (around 94%) of online players are losing --- so the odds are pretty good that you're fighting the same "demons" as most of the rest of the online player pool.

If you want to be a winner, do some reading about the mental game and start evaluating and analyzing your play. Learn about bankroll management. And post hands for discussion. If you are willing to study/work at it, you may well find a way to win in the future --- but only if you IGNORE "luck" (because it's NEUTRAL) and focus on the stuff you can control.

Be well.

-HooDooKoo

P.S. Thanks to those of you that have expressed support for my views. Much appreciated.

Thanks HooDooKoo!! Really do appreciate it. Bankroll management is definitely an issue! I think to be a good poker player, you need strict rules to apply to bankroll management.
I think I will take a break from online poker. Is there anything you recommend to read about bankroll management, tilt control etc?
I will also be taking the time to read and contribute to discussions within this community! I think I'm starting to learn already.

I am not an unlucky player, I'm a bad player. Time to turn things around!
 
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i have a way out for you if you can wait for a month are two.
1. Start playing only micro stakes.
2. post all you key inflection points in the hand analysis forum and review the feedback
3. look at other members posts.
4. read up reference material,video etc to fine tune your play
5. start playing cc freeroll. you should have qualified by then or continue to repeat 1-3 steps
6. you will know where you stand
 
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The importance of bankroll management varies with the degree of advantage you have over your opponents. If they're better than you, the BRM will keep you from losing your money faster than necessary, but you'll still lose it eventually. Otoh, if you're far better, then you are equally safe from going broke with a smaller role than a player with a smaller advantage would need.
 
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What physicists call randomness, poker players call luck---randomness is a reflection of our ignorance about the thing being observed, rather than something inherent to it.
 
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Thanks HooDooKoo!! Really do appreciate it. Bankroll management is definitely an issue! I think to be a good poker player, you need strict rules to apply to bankroll management.
I think I will take a break from online poker. Is there anything you recommend to read about bankroll management, tilt control etc?
I will also be taking the time to read and contribute to discussions within this community! I think I'm starting to learn already.

I am not an unlucky player, I'm a bad player. Time to turn things around!

That is a great attitude, Brodermatt. Hopefully you'll find that you aren't a bad player, it's just tilt and poor bankroll management that are holding you back.

I would recommend the two "The Mental Game of Poker" books by Jared Tendler for handling your tilt issues (and several other potential mental game issues). As far as bankroll management goes, I have never done any significant reading on that. I am one of the individuals that naturally had reasonable bankroll management skills. Is there anyone here who has a found a great bankroll management resource to share with Brodermatt?

Best of luck to you.

-HooDooKoo
 
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Since you play at pokerstars OP try their pokerschool and attend a live training session ,they also have training videos on an array of topics including bankroll management.Has done wonders for my game.Hope this helps......scorp
 
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I wonder why i not won money in poker so far. I play online poker for about a decade. Perhaps why im only playing freerolls as bankroll builder and also because i have my agression under control.
 
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I guess what I can say is try to confuse your opponets when playing its eaay at the micro stakes put a c bet in and show em your 78s with air and then next time have something when you put a ce bet in also try to think like your opponets get inside there head think why would they do this or that

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Is there anyone here who has a found a great bankroll management resource to share with Brodermatt?

IMO only winning players (esp. proffessionals) need bankroll management to neutralize the effects of variance.

Loosing players just need to decide how much they can afford to loose every month and choose stakes accordingly.

Why not play at smallest micro stakes level and freerolls and move up when you start winning ?
 
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Don't think the high rollers play better, iv'e watched some pretty bad play out of them, on stars, carbon, wherever they congregate. The bankroll management part is the easiest, if your serious about it. Avoid the auto-top up button on some sites, you'll lose track of how much you have put in the game, and it is contrary to b-r management. Play the best cards, learn how to fold out, without tilting out. If you just got j-j beat by 8-8, and now your holding a-a, and the board comes 3 of a suit and neither of your aces match the suit up, you are more likely to bet large, or call an all-in bet because of the last hand, and this is where avoiding the "tilt" syndrome comes into play. 1 out of 10,000 players can fold aces, after watching hundreds of thousands of hands that is my estimate. Even with a suited board, many players will NOT let go of those aces. Sometimes if a 4th card matches the suit, then a FEW will finally let go of them. Aces are not the ultimate hand post flop, and when you think you may be beat, throw the magical mind altering pair away, and you will then become one step closer to being a very good player. Being able to lay a hand down will save many more chips, or dollars, than any other play there is.
 
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Originally Posted by Brodermatt ...I would like to say I'm the unluckiest player in the world with some of the sick stuff that happens to me!

Like valkopt said, I think that the first thing you need to improve is your mind. Self-confidence is something essential in poker.
 
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I wonder why i not won money in poker so far. I play online poker for about a decade. Perhaps why im only playing freerolls as bankroll builder and also because i have my agression under control.
Stop playing in freerolls, you're only picking up bad play in them!
 
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I have the same problem as you BroderMatt, also play poker for six years and I can not win, sometimes I think these my account was used to losing
 
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I have seen you playing on PokerOwned (Pokerstars) and I can say that you are not bad player, BroderMatt! You have potential.
 
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I have seen you playing on PokerOwned (Pokerstars) and I can say that you are not bad player, BroderMatt! You have potential.

Thanks Andersonrut :)

Well, I look forward to seeing you on the felt later on!

Still learning and reading lots of stuff to help improve my game! You can never stop learning!
 
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