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The most annoying river that keeps happening to me is

Hole cards low suited e.g. 24s

Flop: 2 more of the same suit... nice drawing hand...

Turn. 1 more to make the flush.... nice... big bet...

River.... yes you guessed it... another of the same suit.

So my amazing hole cards are not so amazing any more and anybody else with just 1 suited card will probably take the flush win from my 24s

Since half the cards from that suit are already accounted for it is still worth a bet. In the above scenario - if the 3 is on the table then I make the probabilities of a win approximately:-

vs 4 - 20%
vs 3 - 33%
vs 2 - 50%
heads up - 70%

Just for comparison... before the river... (with the 3 already on the table) the probabilities were approximately

vs 4 - 75%
vs 3 - 80%
vs 2 - 85%
heads up 90%

That is how much odds the suited river cost you
 
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when this happens I go to check, agra if I to hands, I have the A or K being at the table the A, I shove everything. now if the flush is down any bet is folded
 
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Sryulaw is right unless you have A or K or Q (if A and K are on the board) you should be checking with 4 suited on the board. Especially with these low suited cards, playing them like that is just asking to lose money if someone has one other high suited card. I assume your playing low ones like 42s from the button or one of the blinds, otherwise I'd suggest tighten up some of your suited ranges and only play high suited cards (JTs+) from early and mid position and lower it a bit to maybe 76s+ from the button if its a relatively inactive pot. If you do hit the flush though on the flop or river and there's only 3 suited cards on the board, get more aggressive to make it harder for people on the draw to make the call, and possibly win more if they 4th one doesn't come up.
 
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I know the feeling. I won't usually play low suited cards unless I have a tight image at the table, big stack, and plan on bluffing to a win. It's usually best to do this out of position because I don't want folks ahead of me to feel that since they have already some small stake in the pot that now they NEED to call my bluff bet(s). As far as I'm concerned, a flush when I'm holding 42s IS a bluff, not a good hand.

WAY too many people are playing suited anything to think that your low suited cards won't be beat by slightly better suited cards.
 
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I hear ya all about not betting on 24s pre-flop and agree.

I was talking about when it gets to the turn and I score my flush, I am then betting big (based on value) but then getting caught by another suited card on the River which knocks the value down very significantly (as per the %ages in the OP).
 
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Exactly. That's one of many reasons I tend to stay away from low suited cards unless I'm planning on using them as a bluff, in which case I AM betting them pre-flop. Of course it doesn't really matter what cards I use to bluff with in that type of scenario.
 
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Got thrashed tonight in a flush.

57s in the hole

Flop a flush... sweet

raise a bet from UTG. He re-raises. I call. Then follow his big raises on the turn and river (he has already bluffed a couple of times)

No more suits on the turn or river.

The showdown he has AQs

I am cleaned out.
 
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the flush on the river spoils the whole street ))
 
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^^My thrashing goes to show that it can serve usefully to establish bluffing form so you can get callers on your strong hands
 
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mojorising said:
The most annoying river that keeps happening to me is

Hole cards low suited e.g. 24s

Flop: 2 more of the same suit... nice drawing hand...

Turn. 1 more to make the flush.... nice... big bet...

River.... yes you guessed it... another of the same suit.

So my amazing hole cards are not so amazing any more and anybody else with just 1 suited card will probably take the flush win from my 24s

Since half the cards from that suit are already accounted for it is still worth a bet. In the above scenario - if the 3 is on the table then I make the probabilities of a win approximately:-

vs 4 - 20%
vs 3 - 33%
vs 2 - 50%
heads up - 70%

Just for comparison... before the river... (with the 3 already on the table) the probabilities were approximately

vs 4 - 75%
vs 3 - 80%
vs 2 - 85%
heads up 90%

That is how much odds the suited river cost you
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Need a little more information assuming you were BB and only limpers so you actually have a reason to be playing that stuff . how big is the pot what do you consider a bet big what are your and villians stack sizes
 
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^I was just commenting on how much a 4th suited table card on the river busts out the winning odds when you have 2 small suited cards in the hole.

Not really a comment about whether or not to bet pre-flop.
 
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