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Hello everyone, first post here!

I'm starting to take seriously learning Hold'em. I started with "Winning Low-Limit Hold'em" by Lee Jones. I had played quite a bit before but without ever paying much attention to strategy or anything.

I'm reading on playing considerations before the flop and got stuck with this explanation that I can't quite follow, I don't know what I'm missing:

The amount of money you'll win after the flop (assuming you make your set) will be about the same regardless of the amount you invested pre-flop. Thus, if you must call lots of raises pre-flop, you are paying a higher percentage of your anticipated earnings before you've made your hand
To give context, he's giving an example where you play a small pair before the flop (pocket fours) hoping to flop a set.

But I don't get it, In fact, I think the exact opposite is correct. Here's how I see it right now:

Let's assume a scenario A, 5 players, I just call the BB at $2 and everyone else calls. The pot would be $10. I paid $2 so that's 20% of the pot.

In scenario B, I call the BB and the next player raises to $4 and the next raises to $6, everyone else calls, including me, and the pot ends at $30. I invested $6 ($2 calling the BB and $4 calling the raises) which is still 20% of the pot.

Furthermore, in scenario B my earnings would be $24 compared to $8 in scenario A, obviously they increase with every raise.

:confused:

Thanks for your help!
 
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He's referring to what you win after the flop when you do hit your set. So let's assume if you hit your set you win on average 10 BBs. In scenario 1 you've won 10x what you called preflop. In scenario 2 you've called 3.3x that amount.
 
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You have to play small pre. You'd go broke if u got in big pots pre w every pair
 
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The maximum you can win on a hand is limited by the size of the opponents' stacks. So when you stack someone, you basically win the same amount regardless of how much you put in pre-. But when you miss the flop and fold (you don't hit your set about 7 out of 8 times), the less you've put in pre-, the less you lose on the hand.
 
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Thanks everyone!

He's referring to what you win after the flop when you do hit your set. So let's assume if you hit your set you win on average 10 BBs.

This clears the math side of things! But how do you come up with how much you win on average if you hit the set?

The maximum you can win on a hand is limited by the size of the opponents' stacks. So when you stack someone, you basically win the same amount regardless of how much you put in pre-. But when you miss the flop and fold (you don't hit your set about 7 out of 8 times), the less you've put in pre-, the less you lose on the hand.

So the key here is to start with an assumption of how much exactly you can win. Your opponents' stacks is the limit or as WVHillbilly said, 10BB on average, correct?

I'm not trying to be difficult here, just want to make sure I get it right :)

You have to play small pre. You'd go broke if u got in big pots pre w every pair

Agreed. I'm playing very tightly now.

Thanks again!
 
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