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chipshuffler
Rock Star
Silver Level
Maths is a huge part of poker. For example, i know Chris Ferguson is extremely good with his maths and a huge portion of the professional players are.
Getting lucky and just playing cards is another way to do it. However, this method is not very appealing and can have a very bad ending. Learn percentages of poker and learn to read the other players and youll be fine.
Hope this helped.
Getting lucky and just playing cards is another way to do it. However, this method is not very appealing and can have a very bad ending. Learn percentages of poker and learn to read the other players and youll be fine.
Hope this helped.
Dalsue214
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't go based on odds SOMETIMES... Usually I try to count odds when i am chasing something... But I try to comply on the other person's cards and if I think i have it beat... well its either win or lose for me on the showdown.
mfturq
Rock Star
Silver Level
lots of typical players like this.....usually referred to as fish
blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
you should be able to calculate pot odds, have some idea of your equity vs ranges, how often certain draws will come in, etc. it's not all that hard once you get used to it. phil ivey is never called a "math" player but i can assure you that he understands all these fundamental things and wouldn't be a great player if he didn't
consider any situation where you're facing an all-in bet. you can't always just soulread your opponent to put them on exactly hand. once in a while you can, but rarely. you give them a realistic range of hands that they could play that way. by having some idea of what your equity is against that range you compare that to what price the pot is laying you, and this is how you decide whether or not to call
reads, feel, instinct, all of that is very important in determining a player's range of hands in any given situation. but once you've done that, you need to have some idea of the math in order to know how to best use that information
consider any situation where you're facing an all-in bet. you can't always just soulread your opponent to put them on exactly hand. once in a while you can, but rarely. you give them a realistic range of hands that they could play that way. by having some idea of what your equity is against that range you compare that to what price the pot is laying you, and this is how you decide whether or not to call
reads, feel, instinct, all of that is very important in determining a player's range of hands in any given situation. but once you've done that, you need to have some idea of the math in order to know how to best use that information
IveGot0uts
Rock Star
Silver Level
Math + Reading = Poker
The two largest broadest headings of types of poker skill are knowing the math and odds in a situation, and being able to read the situation. Most poker books focusing on math, or reading situations make it a point in their introduction that both abilities are needed to play at the top levels.
The short answer is that none of the big time professional no limit players are not good at both aspects of the game.
The long answer is that no one who doesn't bleed like a stuck pig doesn't use both. The two facets are symbiotic. If you didn't have the ability to read an opponents actions, at least a little, then you wouldn't know how to apply your math. Inversely if you didn't know any of the math, at least the bit that is intuitive, then you could never use your knowledge about what your opponent was holding to make them make mistakes.
It is possible to be a slight winner/loser with a very good understanding of one of these concepts, and only a ruidmentary understanding of the other at lower levels, cutoff for what is a "lower level" to be left open to argument. However you'll die in a big games, and you'll never really do well long term in even the smallest games without a solid understanding of both aspects of poker.
That being said individuals may well lean more heavily on one skill than the other, but it's hard to say sometimes if someone is doing this, because really every decision, except for some pure math ones, rely on information from both disciplines.
I specified no limit, because I think that you can rock math pretty hard in limit, but even there you need to figure out when you're drawing dead, or how many of your outs you ought to be discounting, which takes some situational knowledge.
The two largest broadest headings of types of poker skill are knowing the math and odds in a situation, and being able to read the situation. Most poker books focusing on math, or reading situations make it a point in their introduction that both abilities are needed to play at the top levels.
The short answer is that none of the big time professional no limit players are not good at both aspects of the game.
The long answer is that no one who doesn't bleed like a stuck pig doesn't use both. The two facets are symbiotic. If you didn't have the ability to read an opponents actions, at least a little, then you wouldn't know how to apply your math. Inversely if you didn't know any of the math, at least the bit that is intuitive, then you could never use your knowledge about what your opponent was holding to make them make mistakes.
It is possible to be a slight winner/loser with a very good understanding of one of these concepts, and only a ruidmentary understanding of the other at lower levels, cutoff for what is a "lower level" to be left open to argument. However you'll die in a big games, and you'll never really do well long term in even the smallest games without a solid understanding of both aspects of poker.
That being said individuals may well lean more heavily on one skill than the other, but it's hard to say sometimes if someone is doing this, because really every decision, except for some pure math ones, rely on information from both disciplines.
I specified no limit, because I think that you can rock math pretty hard in limit, but even there you need to figure out when you're drawing dead, or how many of your outs you ought to be discounting, which takes some situational knowledge.
mfturq
Rock Star
Silver Level
i loled