Mathematics in poker

There are among you players who use math during the game without additional software, do you develop this ability to make decisions as if playing live tournaments?

I think these players are very few in online.
And not all mathematical conclusions lead to success.

MetaDon7577 said:

I think these players are very few in online.
And not all mathematical conclusions lead to success.

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I believe that outs are considered necessary in the mind to give confidence in the movement.
you are right, it does not always help, but I think you need to learn math. many decisions can not be accepted by intuition.
I beg your pardon. not so expressed. not for you to learn but in general)

Nikolay Nakhaev said:

I believe that outs are considered necessary in the mind to give confidence in the movement.
you are right, it does not always help, but I think you need to learn math. many decisions can not be accepted by intuition.
I beg your pardon. not so expressed. not for you to learn but in general)

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You are right with one intuition you will not achieve anything. Thank you of course with matimatikoy I'm fine)

I do math without software. I'm no wiz kid though, I do rough estimites.

freestocks said:

I do math without software. I'm no wiz kid though, I do rough estimites.

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I always think
but often there were chances of an outing to get a good card, but I was not sure and did the reset, and then the card came. offensively)))))
this happened often in the game
all because of uncertainty

If you think sensibly, every player uses math in poker. After all, before throwing chips on the table, they estimate the probability of dropping cards to create combinations with cards on hand. And probability theory refers to mathematics as is known.

Calculating basic pot odds is a skill that every poker player should have. You can improvise it to a degree but a lot of people think they understand poker math when they really don't and it costs them money in the long run.

Reading poker books really helped me refine my poker math skills and it definitely has made me a better poker player.

I have never played live tournaments, but in online tournaments sometimes I have applied math, it depends on the modality I play

Every player must learn to use the basic maths that are used when playing poker ... such as outs and odds ... these are two necessary aspects that every player must know ...!

You are right important is when youre new to a table observe the player styles and then you can put them on ranges or specific hands when playing against em. Fe: You are on the big blind with 10 9 of Dia. The UTG+1 player has raised 3 times BB and everyone has folded. Before you have observed that hes a tight player so it would be a present to raise him. I would still take a flop because it can flop soo much equity and see from there. The flop is 8 d 9d K s. So You have an open ended str. Flush draw. But it makes no sense to bomb it in their. Because first: you have no made hand and second: because he has KK AK 88 99 in his range and would snap you. So you would have a Big flip. But its much more intelligent to realise your equity and check call. If he shoves its still a call, but he has made it pot after you check and the turn is A d.. now you have much more options because you have a nutted hand now. Check/Call is good Bet/Call is good and even Check/Shove is an option depending on your stack in relation to his. River : Brick 2 of H. He snap shoves, you snap call and he had KK with the King of Diamonds. That's my math:ciao:

I just get a rough estimate in my head, but you could just remember certain probabilities based on the number of outs.
Before the flop:
Getting dealt a pocket pair: 5.9% (1:17)
Hitting a set on the flop with pocket pair: 12.2% (1:8)
Pairing on the flop: 36.7% (1:2.7)


After the flop:
Inside straight draw: 4 outs - 17.2% (1:6)
Open-ended straight draw: 8 outs - 34.4% (1:3)
Flush draw: 9 outs - 38.7% (1:2.6)
Open-ended straight and flush draw: 15 outs - 64.5% (1:1.55)

There's a lot more combinations, so being able to do this in your head to get a rough estimate is best.

WarEagle1266 said:

I just get a rough estimate in my head, but you could just remember certain probabilities based on the number of outs.
Before the flop:
Getting dealt a pocket pair: 5.9% (1:17)
Hitting a set on the flop with pocket pair: 12.2% (1:8)
Pairing on the flop: 36.7% (1:2.7)


After the flop:
Inside straight draw: 4 outs - 17.2% (1:6)
Open-ended straight draw: 8 outs - 34.4% (1:3)
Flush draw: 9 outs - 38.7% (1:2.6)
Open-ended straight and flush draw: 15 outs - 64.5% (1:1.55)

There's a lot more combinations, so being able to do this in your head to get a rough estimate is best.

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I always knew open ended combined with flush draw was strong, but not that strong.

Really fascinating, thank you for sharing.

Think the easiest way to develop your use of math in poker is to review your hands, this works best in some sort of replayer along with the use of some sort of icm tool like sngwiz or icmizer.

Just realized I made a stupid mistake, odds should be:
After the flop:
Inside straight draw: 4 outs - 16.4% (1:6)
Open-ended straight draw: 8 outs - 31.4% (1:3.2)
Flush draw: 9 outs - 35% (1:2.85)
Open-ended straight and flush draw: 15 outs - 54.1% (1:1.85)

Edit: I added the probabilities of making the draw together instead of multiplying the odds of it not happening together, so it should be correct now.

Every player has to learn the basic maths. The faster you do this, the sooner you will notice you're results have improved.

After a while, you might notice you don't need to do those maths in most hands, it becomes an internal reaction, and not a calculation anymore. That's when you can start to learn some new maths, which in time will also become an internal reaction.

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

I did not learn those basics as fast as I might have. I wasn't horribly bad at them as I had a pretty good understanding of probabilities from College, but poker has specific situations with specific math needed to help solve those situations. Actually, those situations don't occur all that often, but when they do they usually result in bigger pots.

So, again I say that the sooner you learn those basics, the sooner you will see improved results.

You don't need to be LeChef (Casino Royal) to see good results via poker.

https://www.cardschat.com/odds-for-dummies.php

There are some very basic math shortcuts to help during the game without a tool or calculator.

The one I find most useful is the rule of 4 and 2 for quick post flop calculations. First count your realistic outs those that improve your hand to the winner not just a better second place hand. On the flop facing a raise multiply the outs * 4 to get the odds of improving your hand. If this is greater than the pot odds as a percentage you are getting the odds to call. Theoretically if you always make this call you will win money over time.

On the turn multiply by 2 and perform the same test.

You can also use this to calculate the bet size you need to make acting first to take the odds away making calling your bet a bad decision, theoretically over time.

Chasing poker math topics up the google tree will yield some valuable and many worthless statistics and calculations.

Learn the rule of 2 and 4. Next step is to give ranges to villain and know your ranges

online poker is where you can learn all the Maths and is more heavily relied upon in this medium. Live requires more feel and reading live tells.

Of course, mathematics is an important part of poker! Always at least mathematically must be ahead in the hand, even luck has anything show! Success !

pot odds vs card odds while keeping in mind implied future odds in later streets.

Most of it is so repetitive that you will just learn it through repetition.....

Yes so many situations come up over and over so you need to know the math on them. If you have a flush draw that's 9 outs and if you only see one card that's around 18 per cent. If someone bets the pot after the flop, you need 1/3 or 33 per cent to call so it's a fold. I think it is important to factor in basic stuff like that but you need to weigh it in with type of players you are up against etc.

Poker is definitely a math game. Sometimes I make calls based on math and not necessarily the strength of my hand. How much I have to invest to win a certain amount(pot odds). That's just one of many examples of math in poker.

Math is a must to be a good player. You have to calculate pot odds for all your draws and if it is right to call or fold your draw.