re: Poker & Math and Hand Ranges
Originally Posted by alaskabill
We agree on pokerstove (ldo ) and I wasn't suggesting getting bogged down in anything. I just think that having some understanding of how the game works mathematically will help you in the long run plus its interesting.
You can get most of the information online easily enough. I was simply responding to Big Rudy's assertion (if I understood him correctly) that you didn't need to understand the math in the game as long as you could use pokerstove.
Its really not that big of a deal. Personally I like it if my opponent has no clue about the math of the game.
You are incorrect, sir . About my assertion, I mean. Obviously you need to know the basic maths behind the game, but (imo) many, many would-be students of the game get far too wrapped-up in this. Take OP's post, for example. He goes through all those convoluted calculations that, while each by itself is simple, together make quite a mess to arrive that he has 42% equtiy in the hand.
I call bullshit. First-off, that very precise equity calculation is inherently flawed as its based upon an ASSUMPTION or, at best, an EDUCATED GUESS about villains range. If you are off even slightly about your guess as to his range your corresponding equity is off as well, despite the "wall of math" you used to arrive at that conclusion.
Secondly, do we ever really need to know that our equity is precisely 42%? I'm talking "real-world" here, not theorhetically. Knowing that your equity is approximately 40% is fine, and given that you can never know villains range with 100% accuracy anyway, may actually be closer to the truth that that big, long equity calculation. Estimating, imo, is a highly under-rated and more valuable skill in poker applications than it is given credit for.
As for the bit about Pokerstove, what I was trying to say was that when I punch in a range and PS spits out an equity of, say 42.6%, I just accept it and move-on. I see no need to do all the mathematical proofs to show that my equity is in fact what PS says it is.