Mass multi-tabling+new gaming computer

Hello all (It's your boy ABDI)...

I got 2 questions in 1, so I know it's better to mass multi-table, and I myself can do up to 12 tables np (honestly)...The issue is because my monitor is only a "19" it's hard to do more than that tiled at once, and I can't stack them nor cascade them (honestly way to complicated for me)..So my plan is to buy 3 "24" LCD's, now the question I have about this is

A) How do I actually connect these monitors together, so that when I have it up and running that I can actually have all the games tiled together? I hope you understand my question.

B) How to setup my betting pre sizing in Stars client? Your prolly like (OMG, this guy never had this setup in all the years he's played on Stars WTF), truth is It honestly never interested me until I did more than 6 tables, and so I'm kind of at a loss for what the correct betting percentages should be post flop, this is in regards to tourneys btw but I would also hope you help me define same standards on the ring games also.. Something like preflop bet size/3betting sizes, and than bet size on flop/turn/and river (Is what I'm looking for)..

C) I'm buying a new computer, so I wanted to know what kind of computer can I actually buy for 1k (That's not really high end), but not low end either, that is fairly decent/efficient/fast and runs over all smoothly made for gaming, and/or has gaming capacity equivalency (ATM Iave an HP and the shit is neither fast), mind you my Primus internet connection sucks and I need to actually have them come out and fix this issue we are having but over all, I still think that computer sucks ass HP=Garbage to me (IMO), could be wrong but not made for gaming.

So in closing I really want this figured out, A.S.A.P as I want to do the shopping for this near Christmas time, also include Desks/mouses/ type of key boards to get (that are better in value), so in closing the computer could be up to 1k alone, and the 3 monitors each (I'm hoping shouldn't be over 300), so my final price total I can afford to dish out is roughly 2k aside other than that I don't got nothing else, so could you all plz combine your knowledge and wisdom, and help me get all I require for under 2k if not on the money at 2k max..


Thx once again

So I figured out 1 part to my question, but It doesn't feel right, could you look over these numbers for me..

I have it at 2.5/3.5/4.5 for the 1st part

and for the % area I have 60/80/100

wow I cant help really but you can beat variance for sure by mass tabling

1k should get you a decent computer, assuming your talking USD? The best thing to do is buy the parts seperatly and put it together yourself. Its much cheaper and you know that what your getting is what you need. You will definitely need a graphics card with multiple display ports, or mini display ports to handle the multiple monitors.
I dont really understand your first question, but you can set windows to display three different desktops on each monitor and then move each game into position like tiles, if thats what you meant.

I may not be able to help with your formatting tables questions, but I did just build a gaming comp/poker usage desktop last year. I believe my grand total was about 1k as well, maybe 100 below or something. Here is what I bought.

Processor: Intel - Core i5-2500k quad-core 3.3ghz
Tower: Azza Solano 1000 Black steel/metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Rosewill RP600v2-s-sl 600W
Graphics: EVGA 02G-P3-1559-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express
Motherboard: Intel - Media DP67BA Desktop Motherboard Express Chipset
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance 2-pack 4GB DDR3 DIMM
Hard Drive: Western Digital - Vaviar GP 1TB internal HD
Monitor: Sony Playstation 3D display 24" widescreen (got it on black friday deal from BestBuy, love it for multi tables.

Have you any experience in building computers??? If not, by all means don't be too intimidated. This was my first computer built, and there are some pretty fool proof write ups out there to assist you in the process.

Let me know if you have any questions. Best of luck!

ayrton said:

1k should get you a decent computer, assuming your talking USD? The best thing to do is buy the parts seperatly and put it together yourself. Its much cheaper and you know that what your getting is what you need. You will definitely need a graphics card with multiple display ports, or mini display ports to handle the multiple monitors.
I dont really understand your first question, but you can set windows to display three different desktops on each monitor and then move each game into position like tiles, if thats what you meant.

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Thank you for the tips, curious, when you state building your own computer (If I don't know nothing about such things), than what would be your suggestion as to how to go about such a task? Obviously my next question, than would be where do I go to find a person that can build computers (at a computer shop), but do they charge alot for the task is my question, or not really?

Once again thank you

TheKid84 said:

I may not be able to help with your formatting tables questions, but I did just build a gaming comp/poker usage desktop last year. I believe my grand total was about 1k as well, maybe 100 below or something. Here is what I bought.

Processor: Intel - Core i5-2500k quad-core 3.3ghz
Tower: Azza Solano 1000 Black steel/metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Rosewill RP600v2-s-sl 600W
Graphics: EVGA 02G-P3-1559-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express
Motherboard: Intel - Media DP67BA Desktop Motherboard Express Chipset
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance 2-pack 4GB DDR3 DIMM
Hard Drive: Western Digital - Vaviar GP 1TB internal HD
Monitor: Sony Playstation 3D display 24" widescreen (got it on black friday deal from BestBuy, love it for multi tables.

Have you any experience in building computers??? If not, by all means don't be too intimidated. This was my first computer built, and there are some pretty fool proof write ups out there to assist you in the process.

Let me know if you have any questions. Best of luck!

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Was there like a video that you watched to learn this stuff, or were you always good at computers and what not? Also if there is a video could you plz link it to me if you wouldn't mind.


Last but not least you computer setup sounds like it's the stuff dreams are made of

naruto_miu said:

Was there like a video that you watched to learn this stuff, or were you always good at computers and what not? Also if there is a video could you plz link it to me if you wouldn't mind.


Last but not least you computer setup sounds like it's the stuff dreams are made of

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My comp techie buddy sent me a PC Magazine that had a walk through in it. It really is pretty simple, and I'll do some searching for a nice walk through vid for ya. The important thing to do is to keep in mind everything typically has 2 connections: 1 that runs to the power supply (everything needs power, duh) and 2 it needs to be connected to the motherboard (that runs everything together, duh).

The only thing that tripped me up is when I first tried to turn it on, it didn't turn on right away, and I about shat myself. I later found out that there are 2 connections from my motherboard to the power supply, not just 1 like everything else. After that, it turned on fine, and I haven't had issues since.

Found this from a quick search. Newegg.com is an online computer geek giant, and where I got half of my components to build my computer. They've got what looks like a 3 step video on building from scratch. I haven't viewed them, but with the Newegg name backing the videos, I would def trust them and their teachings.



PS - if you're thinking of 3 monitors for multi tabling, maybe consider 2 widescreen ones??? I just know my Playstation 3D widescreen is pretty massive, and I love it. I would imagine that 2 of those could get 12 tables on it pretty safely. I will have to play with it tonight, maybe take a screenie of 6 tables on it and see if it's reasonable or not.

Here are some thoughts that I went through when I was choosing my computer components.

Tower: They're are a couple of different sizes to choose from. Mini-ATX, Micro-ATX, ATX Mid-Tower, or ATX Full Tower. Those are the sizes from smallest to largest. I chose the largest because it would provide the opportunity for upgrades in the future if I liked, and I wasn't opposed to a bigger tower. They have tons of styles to choose from. Make sure your Motherboard and Case match up. I found sometimes on different styles, it would line up upside down.

Motherboard - you want your motherboard to fit properly in your case. It gets attached to the inside side of the tower, and you will want to be sure the plugs in the back look properly. There are tons of options here. It's easy to get caught up in the mass of them all. What I looked for was the max amount of memory it can take (I was hoping to put a decent amount of memory in mine in the future, I believe mine maxes out at 32GB?), to be sure it's compatible with the processor you're looking at, as well as it has the PCI connections to match your Graphics Card.

Power Supply - this was simple. Sometimes you can find a case that comes with one. If not, like me, you'll have to buy a separate one. I didn't take much time into thinking of this. Found a decent priced 600W with a cool blue LED in it. I was sold.

Processor - I wasn't too educated on this front. I got a middle of the line processor because I feel these things get outdated really quickly, and if I'm going to update my comp (which I plan on it) I plan on swapping out with a newer updated processor. I went middle of the road here, an i5 quad-core.

Hard Drive - nothing too special here. I got a nice deal on a 1TB, and that should be more than enough space I'll ever need. You could go fancy big with the 1.5TB, depends on what your personal needs are. I don't store music, movies, or any huge major games on my computer. If those are your things, maybe look into it, maybe not.

Graphics - This takes some looking into. When choosing one, I wanted one that had a decent amount of cores and nice cooling options. I also found one that 'can be bridged' with another graphics card (for future expansion). It's like putting two engines in one car (prob not best comparison), but it gives it optimal performance. This choice also takes into consideration your plans. I play a few games on Steam from time to time, but nothing too major. I was able to grab one with 192 cores, 2gb memory, and a PCI Express slot connection (which my motherboard had, success!). It only had one fan on it, but my case has 7 in total, so I was ok with that. Some of these cards have 2 fans on them, just something to think about. This is also what you plug your monitors in. If you plan on having multiple monitors, do some research on your graphics card about multi monitors.

Memory - I had to do some homework, trying to figure out the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 memory. Quick answer, DDR3 is the newer form of memory, its faster, consumes less voltage, and has outdated DDR2. Just get DDR3 You will have to check your motherboard to see what the maximum is. There's nothing too fancy needed for memory, get a decent amount, I have been hooked up at 8GB with the intention of adding more in the future, and haven't needed more yet. With many tables on the horizon, you may want to start with 8GB minimum.

Monitors - As I suggested early, maybe consider a duel widescreen option instead of 3. I've done duel monitors before, and it was pretty easy stuff to learn. I haven't attempted 3, but in an attempt to cut some costs and make it easy on you, I would suggest the duel widescreen. Go to a Bestbuy or something with monitors on display, and check out their sizes. "size them up" - couldn't help myself.


Sorry about the novel, I hope this helps. I get a giddy when it comes to building computers. I annoyed the crap out of my wife when I was building mine, and Im sure I could annoy you as well Let me know if you have any questions.

Don't have much time to post but I have a lot of experience with building my own computers(built 10+ in the last 5 years). I strongly suggest going this route as it's the only way you can truly get what you really want, not just what's prepackaged with the system you're looking at.

A. Don't look for someone else to put it together, do it yourself. It isn't hard and you can find tons of info on google that is pretty foolproof.

B. The biggest issue that you're going to run into is your video card. You're wanting to connect 3 monitors. For that you're either going to need to get standalone video card that has support for three monitors(I don't really suggest anymore as I think many of those cards kind of suck). Or get two cards and connect them via Crossfire(AMD/ATI cards) or SLI(NVidia), which imo is the better route and you're going to have much better graphics for other gaming or overall usage.

Maybe check out websites like Anandtech or PCMag and do some research. If you really are wanting to go the prebuilt route, at the very least do something like Dell's build your own, because right off the shelf is most likely not going to suit your needs.

absoluthamm said:

Don't have much time to post but I have a lot of experience with building my own computers(built 10+ in the last 5 years). I strongly suggest going this route as it's the only way you can truly get what you really want, not just what's prepackaged with the system you're looking at.

A. Don't look for someone else to put it together, do it yourself. It isn't hard and you can find tons of info on google that is pretty foolproof.

B. The biggest issue that you're going to run into is your video card. You're wanting to connect 3 monitors. For that you're either going to need to get standalone video card that has support for three monitors(I don't really suggest anymore as I think many of those cards kind of suck). Or get two cards and connect them via Crossfire(AMD/ATI cards) or SLI(NVidia), which imo is the better route and you're going to have much better graphics for other gaming or overall usage.

Maybe check out websites like Anandtech or PCMag and do some research. If you really are wanting to go the prebuilt route, at the very least do something like Dell's build your own, because right off the shelf is most likely not going to suit your needs.

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This ^ if i can learn tO make my own computer im sure you can . The worst thing that can happen is you actually gain knowledge. Hopefully you dont. Rack your motherboard in half trying to secure it like my first time 8). Goodluck you will b happy with a custom pc guarenteed.

Thx for all the tips, and I'll definitely put a picture up once it's all done and we moved to the new residence..

I just think this is so much better and over all (I know then what I'm really getting) for my price since it's me that's forking the dough up right, lol, only makes sense..

Once again thx all for the tips and I best get to learning how to build my own computer

Great suggestions already. My only comment is to go with 2 monitor solution. 3 or more would need you to muck around with graphics cards and they can get expensive. IF you have big enough screen you can tile the windows easily. 12 session at a time is pretty good. I go crazy after the 4th screen.

You'll need dual video cards (very few cards will drive 3 monitors simultaneously, and those that would are extremely expensive). Two video cards with dual outputs will drive 4 monitors total. Or you can use a dual-output and a cheap single-output card to drive 3 monitors. You don't need to SLI/CrossFire them either unless you just want to (if you do they must be identical GPU's). Any two random cards will work in non-SLI mode to drive multiple monitors.

I run a triple 24" monitor setup myself. I have an nVidia dual-output card driving two monitors, and my onboard Intel video driving the 3rd monitor.

dmorris68 said:

You'll need dual video cards (very few cards will drive 3 monitors simultaneously, and those that would are extremely expensive). Two video cards with dual outputs will drive 4 monitors total. Or you can use a dual-output and a cheap single-output card to drive 3 monitors. You don't need to SLI/CrossFire them either unless you just want to (if you do they must be identical GPU's). Any two random cards will work in non-SLI mode to drive multiple monitors.

I run a triple 24" monitor setup myself. I have an nVidia dual-output card driving two monitors, and my onboard Intel video driving the 3rd monitor.

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ty for letting me know in advance

I am going to save this thread. Give me so much information and confidence to build my own. Just worried I will end up with frying something or unsuitable parts

skrsh76 said:

I am going to save this thread. Give me so much information and confidence to build my own. Just worried I will end up with frying something or unsuitable parts

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If your unsure of any thing the best thing to do is ask on a forum about computers and post all the components there for people to check that their compatible and are the best for you. Thats what i did when i built my first computer and without doing that i probably would have wasted a lot of money on a worse computer.

Dont be afraid about damaging any parts though, it rarely happens unless you drop them. Putting a computer together is as easy as following the manual and slotting each part into where it will fit.

ayrton said:

If your unsure of any thing the best thing to do is ask on a forum about computers and post all the components there for people to check that their compatible and are the best for you. Thats what i did when i built my first computer and without doing that i probably would have wasted a lot of money on a worse computer.

Dont be afraid about damaging any parts though, it rarely happens unless you drop them. Putting a computer together is as easy as following the manual and slotting each part into where it will fit.

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The only thing to worry about is triple checking the compatibility between the components. Half the stuff is created with connections that can only connect with each other, making it really fool proof. Like I said earlier, the only thing that tripped me up was not knowing that the motherboard required 2 hookups to the power supply, not just 1, like I was giving everything else.

I was thinking of building my own pc but I never got around to it.

I was worried that I would spend the money on parts and then just damage it with static or too much pressure when fixing the motherboard to the tower. I also had my family telling me I would be wasting money as I would fail at it, nice They just see it as another one of my fads

Personally I think running 3x 24" monitors while tiling would suck the big one.
You'd be better off to go with 2x 30" (or 2x 29") but it'll be more expensive. (I'm actually changing from 2x 24" to 1x 30")

Won't 2x 24" be enough though? (I can fit 16-20 tables on ONE 24" monitor). You can get an Acer 23.5" LED monitor for $129 at Walmart.
If you're running just two monitors you won't need any extra b.s. for your computer (don't even need a graphics card if you're using decent computer... the CPU graphics should be good enough).

Shops in my area will put a build together for you for $50. There's a couple good places to grab parts. If you want some ideas for what parts you'll need you can give me a pm (if you want?). I planned on building one for myself awhile ago but didn't get around to it (yet) but looked into what I'd need.

Lastly, if you want it to ZOOM!!! Then you really should go with a SolidState Drive. You should be able to put together a poker beast for ~$800 (& this will still probably be overkill even if you're running PT4, a half-dozen sites and a few dozen tables along with other software, etc. etc. You don't need a real lot to play poker).

Poker Orifice said:

Personally I think running 3x 24" monitors while tiling would suck the big one.
You'd be better off to go with 2x 30" (or 2x 29") but it'll be more expensive. (I'm actually changing from 2x 24" to 1x 30")

Won't 2x 24" be enough though? (I can fit 16-20 tables on ONE 24" monitor). You can get an Acer 23.5" LED monitor for $129 at Walmart.
Piece of junk, you get what you pay for
If you're running just two monitors you won't need any extra b.s. for your computer (don't even need a graphics card if you're using decent computer... the CPU graphics should be good enough).
Not true in many cases with stock systems, especially at the resolutions you're looking for and refresh rates you're wanting.

Shops in my area will put a build together for you for $50. There's a couple good places to grab parts. I would put money on finding better deals online and once again, if you have half a brain, you can put a computer together If you want some ideas for what parts you'll need you can give me a pm (if you want?). I planned on building one for myself awhile ago but didn't get around to it (yet) but looked into what I'd need.

Lastly, if you want it to ZOOM!!! Then you really should go with a SolidState Drive. You should be able to put together a poker beast for ~$800 (& this will still probably be overkill even if you're running PT4, a half-dozen sites and a few dozen tables along with other software, etc. etc. You don't need a real lot to play poker).Not very well... Especially since you're suggesting a SSD which a decent one is going to cost around a 1/4 of what your apparent total build price would be...

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you could always buy a 40-50 inch normal television then get a hdmi lead and connect it from computer to tv that's what I do

this kind of mtt ing is way over my head....4/5 tables is my max capability

woody19 said:

you could always buy a 40-50 inch normal television then get a hdmi lead and connect it from computer to tv that's what I do

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TV's aren't going to have as high of a resolution possibility as a computer monitor and much of the fine details and clarity such as text and sharpness will not be there. A TV monitor is going to be a little fuzzy, especially up close, not exactly what I would want when playing poker and trying to figure out a number when multi-tabling because I can't see it clearly.

Also many times the refresh rates on TV monitors is not as fast as a computer monitor. This is getting a little better now but still noticeable.