marginal hands and different positions.

First to act pre flop 9 max. Im 3 betting this, thoughts?

I don't quite understand the question. Definitely need more info about the hand. Blind levels, # of players at the table, and need to know every action at the table thus far to understand the 3 bet part. And I'm assuming this a ring game or is it a tourney or SnG? If it's a MTT how many players are left? Also, what does the "K8 or 9" mean?

????? If you are first to act preflop how are you ever 3-betting unless you backraised (limp then raise a subsequent raise ahead of you)

Either way, if you're ever going to backraise, best do it with AQ-AK when you have supper Laggy thieves in the CO and BU, because of blockers and you are likely to pick some bets more than a raise UTG??? then again, if those guys are laggy, prolly best to stick a standard raise anyway and not complicate things

Still, mostly dangerous strategy.

K8 or K9 is an autofold preflop UTG full ring most of the time...

Brave.

. . . thinking this doesn't make any sense.

K8 or K9 in early position....

auto fold

but what if its K8 or K9 soooottteeeedddd....

oh, in that case....

its still an auto fold

jcla6985 said:

First to act pre flop 9 max. Im 3 betting this, thoughts?

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Say what?

JCLA, you got mixed up up man. Your not clear as to what you mean. If your talking aboout raising it in a 9 max then no. Fold it. Only raise that from cuttoff or button , assuming the pot hasnt been openned yet.

p.s K9 suited is alil better than K8 suited but to me they are the exact same hand. It's not too bad of a hand to be honest but its not the best either.

K8 and K9 SUCK! Fold it

Yeah try to make it more clear so we get a better understanding of the hand and be able to help you.

I think he's just jerkin our chains. Nobody 3 bets with K 8 or 9 especially if they're not sure which one it is. Sir, or madam, you need to repost this in the "Joke of the day" thread.

OUTS FLOP-TURN FLOP-RIVER EXAMPLE
1 45:1 22:1 Junior Set against the top set
2 22:1 11:1 Lowest pair against top pair
3 15:1 7:1 One overcards
4 11:1 5:1 Gutshot straight draw
5 8:1 4:1 middle pair against top pair
6 7:1 3:1 Two overcards
7 6:1 2.5:1 Gutshot straight draw and overcards
8 5:1 2:1 open-ended straight draw
9 4:1 2:1 Flushdraw
10 4:1 1.6:1 Gutshot and two overcards
11 3:1 1.4:1 ---
12 3:1 1.2:1 Gutshot and a flush draw
13 2.5:1 1.1:1 ---
14 2.4:1 1:1 straight draw and two overcards
15 2:1 1:1 flush draw and two overcards

count your outs and concludes play or fold

Its just a general question. And its a question I asked in a poker forum, you people hatig just get a life. I usually play 9 max cash games, althought I have been playing it the same way if suited in torny play

And I appreciate the positi e help from the rest of you. Thank you!

Skull_Sniper said:

I think he's just jerkin our chains. Nobody 3 bets with K 8 or 9 especially if they're not sure which one it is. Sir, or madam, you need to repost this in the "Joke of the day" thread.

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Ya right next to your photo

RodneyC86 said:

????? If you are first to act preflop how are you ever 3-betting unless you backraised (limp then raise a subsequent raise ahead of you)

Either way, if you're ever going to backraise, best do it with AQ-AK when you have supper Laggy thieves in the CO and BU, because of blockers and you are likely to pick some bets more than a raise UTG??? then again, if those guys are laggy, prolly best to stick a standard raise anyway and not complicate things

Still, mostly dangerous strategy.

K8 or K9 is an autofold preflop UTG full ring most of the time...

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Would you mind defining standard raise? Im under the impression 3 times the big bling is a standard raise?

If you are first to act preflop, you can't 3-bet. A 3-bet is when you are the second person to raise.

Blind = 1 bet, a raise is 2-bet, another raise is a 3-bet.

Therefore, from your statements, we all assumed you were UTG (under the gun, to the immediate left of the big blind).

K-9 or K-8 is an automatic fold from UTG. To many people yet to act after you. You would likely be playing a mediocre hand out of position. Not a good idea.

jcla6985 said:

Would you mind defining standard raise? Im under the impression 3 times the big bling is a standard raise?

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A standard raise is three or four times the big blind. Table dynamics may change this however.

Beanfacekilla said:

If you are first to act preflop, you can't 3-bet. A 3-bet is when you are the second person to raise.

Blind = 1 bet, a raise is 2-bet, another raise is a 3-bet.

Therefore, from your statements, we all assumed you were UTG (under the gun, to the immediate left of the big blind).

K-9 or K-8 is an automatic fold from UTG. To many people yet to act after you. You would likely be playing a mediocre hand out of position. Not a good idea.

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Ahh thank you im horrible with poker terminology, I meant 3 brt as in 3 times the big bling, maybe thats why everyone thinks im stupid? Haha live and learn

I was never informed of this terminology either ;( but now that isee it i understand and there is no such thing as auto fold in my books! The more you fold the less pots your in on, the less pots your in on the more boring it becomes and less money you make. Good luck with you K 8/9's they arent working today for me!

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I was never informed of this terminology either ;( but now that isee it i understand and there is no such thing as auto fold in my books! The more you fold the less pots your in on, the less pots your in on the more boring it becomes and less money you make. Good luck with you K 8/9's they arent working today for me!

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They aren't working for you today because they are auto folds lol. The less pots you're in, the more pots where you will have a stronger hand surely. Logic=flawed.

xlmnx said:

I was never informed of this terminology either ;( but now that isee it i understand and there is no such thing as auto fold in my books! The more you fold the less pots your in on, the less pots your in on the more boring it becomes and less money you make. Good luck with you K 8/9's they arent working today for me!

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I never knew there was a correlation between being bored and making less money....

So when you are bored you make less money but when you are not bored you make more money????

Yea, dont go in more pots because ypur bored.play the pots you think you can win

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First to act pre flop 9 max. Im 3 betting this, thoughts?

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K8 or K9 is basically a garbage hand in that position, plug that leak.

K9 suited is a strange hand. When analyzed using poker software I often find it is just over the line into the range of bad starting hands, for some reason.