LUCKY FISHY

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hey all, Question: why is it that when i started playing online poker a couple of years ago and had NO CLUE about things like position,button,odds,outs, aggression ,tightness,etc etc and all the good stuff that all the experienced players are aware of,i managed to make some final tables in 3000 player plus MTT's and even won a few 1st place,3rd place,bla bla bla. (didnt do bad at all for a TRUE DONK that i used to be)
And now that i am a much more experienced player( read books,practiced alot,made some money etc),it seams harder to reach final tables .i feel as though the more you know the tighter you might play or fold winning hands,where as when ur a donk u call off anything without taking into account that there is a made flush on board or a made straight.
what im saying is that sometimes we tend to overanalyse the table,our opponent and give people too much credit for having hands which they dont due to scarry boards.
bottom line sometimes the so called FISH that we all talk about DO BETTER due to lack of fear or understanding.
so what im saying is that sometimes too much information can lead you to being THE FISH urself,because you might actually create wierd scenarios about hands opponents might have in relation to the board when fish would never do that. Hence the saying,u cant bluff a fish. any comments?
 
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Having more knowledge isn't the same as knowing when to apply it appropriately.

And no, the fish don't do better, at least not individually. Anyone does well once in a while when they run hot. But one runs hot, then another... not the same one over and over. If you see that, it may be that you've misclassified a good LAG as a fish.
 
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Having more knowledge isn't the same as knowing when to apply it appropriately.

And no, the fish don't do better, at least not individually. Anyone does well once in a while when they run hot. But one runs hot, then another... not the same one over and over. If you see that, it may be that you've misclassified a good LAG as a fish.
thnks bud.im not reaaly making any statemnts through this thread,just throwing some thoughts out there. might be dumb, but it gets to me sometimes watching donks double up in late tourney stages with j4 suited cause they r fearless and sometimes i think "WOW".so im just acting like the devils advocate through this thread. killing time
 
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It does seem strange, maybe its a mindset but I also think I ran better the worse I was.
 
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It may be more accurate to say that when you knew less, your expectations were lower, which made it easier to exceed them.

Proper record-keeping can very helpful in seeing situations where impressions may not reflect reality.
 
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most of the so call fish chase cards because of their stack size and high % draw so they play wirhout fear and take more chances.
 
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It does seem strange, maybe its a mindset but I also think I ran better the worse I was.

This sometimes happens because as you get better at the game you are getting it in ahead more often than not and as a result will get sucked out on more often in absolute numbers. Conversely, when you were bad you were usually getting it in behind and thus sucked out more often.

Also, what Arjonius said.

There's also the possibility that you did indeed run pretty good when you were bad, and this has caused you to make this association. This is a bad way to think though when playing poker, even if it's just one of those 'feelings' you might have stowed away in the back of your mind when logically you know it's not true. Try to rid yourself of this thought, because it's simply not grounded in reality and will just cause you anguish on the felt.
 
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Sometimes play with too much conscience makes us hesitate to play the cards, beyond seeing a good flop and others, when we do not have conscience bet without fear we do not hesitate, we play by the impulse and sensation of doing the right thing regardless of place, stack, possible Losing hand etc, I think that sometimes play with awareness of everything that is to be known sometimes betrays, I hope you understand what I meant and it is clear that it is an own opinion nothing more
 
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I think if you play with the fish at the table for 10 minutes, he will lose a lot of chips and will play fewer hands!
 
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Sometimes play with too much conscience makes us hesitate to play the cards, beyond seeing a good flop and others, when we do not have conscience bet without fear we do not hesitate, we play by the impulse and sensation of doing the right thing regardless of place, stack, possible Losing hand etc, I think that sometimes play with awareness of everything that is to be known sometimes betrays, I hope you understand what I meant and it is clear that it is an own opinion nothing more

I think ur right, if I get what ur saying.When you have more knowledge ppl tend to second guess themselves and overthink too much.

G/L:)
 
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I understand what you say, but things do not work out that way ... in fact, a game with all the players having no technique whatsoever, the one who knows something about position etc, has a lot of advantage, but nowadays, everyone already has More or less notion of the game ... then the advantage tends to decrease ... so the correct thing is now to make some rather bad moves to seek a differentiated strategy, and to find advantage in the game ...
 
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