un-diluted
Visionary
Silver Level
low pockets?!? pull yer pants up
depends on action before you, your position, payouts and how many ppl paid, reads... anything else? probably...
Post a HH in tournament analysis for more info. The specific details are important. Just be sure to not post the showdown results in your HH.
depends on action before you, your position, payouts and how many ppl paid, reads... anything else? probably...
Post a HH in tournament analysis for more info. The specific details are important. Just be sure to not post the showdown results in your HH.
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iveybeach
Rising Star
Bronze Level
well depends how low your pocket pair is...6's below, it also depends on how late or early u are in the stage of the tournament. but i always say, on the possibility of how many players anter the pot. pockets are good at any level....the other player has to hit. so you are always a 56% to a 44% depending on how high your pockets are. how that helped.
Mase31683
Legend
Silver Level
so you are always a 56% to a 44% depending on how high your pockets are. how that helped.
Except when someone shows up with a bigger pp
Camperfox
Rising Star
Silver Level
My favourite hand is 22, if I am shortstacked in the end of a sit and go and there are like 5-3 left I always shove with low pockets. This has both made me come in the money and shoved me out of the tournament. But if two people before me have put loads of money in the pot I can fold them as well. Have to take the situation for what it is Well that's how I play them, early in I want to call with them and if the raise is too big I fold.
Have fun!
Well that's how I play them, early in I want to call with them and if the raise is too big I fold.Have fun!
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only_bridge
Legend
Silver Level
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marvinas
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Generally with pp you want as few ppl in the pot as possible, and the lower your pp, the fewer. But keep in mind that with low pp your winning chances are almost a coin flip, and thats HU. On the other hand, it is already a pair, and others must draw to beat it (higher pp excluded).
In early - mid tournament I would fold anything below 66, but in late stages, especially if shortstacked and in early position, would go all - in with any pp.
In early - mid tournament I would fold anything below 66, but in late stages, especially if shortstacked and in early position, would go all - in with any pp.
Mase31683
Legend
Silver Level
Okay, I'm assuming you're talking tournaments, since otherwise you don't have to be short.
Once you get to be shortstacked (I define this as an M=<5), the cards aren't even what's important anymore. It's nice to have something to fall back on, but you're just looking for an opportunity where it's been folded to you, and you can open-shove while you still have fold equity.
Your goal as a shortstack is to take down the blinds + antes without a fight. As long as you have any FE, then the cards don't matter, because most of the time, your shove will win the pot. If you've just shoved a few times recently, then you need to pull back on the reigns a bit, and understand the flow of your table, and how players are going to react to your play. Obviously, this makes it an ideal time to shove again if you pick up a legitimate hand, as your opponent's call-shove ranges have widened significantly against you now.
You want to be thinking ninja here, sneak in, take the money, and you're gone, before anyone even realized what happend.
Not Marine, running in, blowing ***t up, screaming and shooting. You don't survive in tournament poker by picking fights against bigger stacks.
Once you're desperate start to look more at the situation, and if you think you can win the pot with an all-in here. If you likely can, then do it, and don't worry about what your cards are. They won't matter very often.
Once you get to be shortstacked (I define this as an M=<5), the cards aren't even what's important anymore. It's nice to have something to fall back on, but you're just looking for an opportunity where it's been folded to you, and you can open-shove while you still have fold equity.
Your goal as a shortstack is to take down the blinds + antes without a fight. As long as you have any FE, then the cards don't matter, because most of the time, your shove will win the pot. If you've just shoved a few times recently, then you need to pull back on the reigns a bit, and understand the flow of your table, and how players are going to react to your play. Obviously, this makes it an ideal time to shove again if you pick up a legitimate hand, as your opponent's call-shove ranges have widened significantly against you now.
You want to be thinking ninja here, sneak in, take the money, and you're gone, before anyone even realized what happend.
Not Marine, running in, blowing ***t up, screaming and shooting. You don't survive in tournament poker by picking fights against bigger stacks.
Once you're desperate start to look more at the situation, and if you think you can win the pot with an all-in here. If you likely can, then do it, and don't worry about what your cards are. They won't matter very often.
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IvaiLamDimidov
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I usually try to see as a cheap a pot as possible with small pairs and hope to flop a set. If you are very short stacked ( less than 10 big blinds) you should probably shove depending on the action. If the table is fairly tight I would raise with them depending on the action. If the table is aggressive I would limp or call a small raise hoping to flop a set.
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dillingerdis
Rock Star
Silver Level
I pretty much run off of the exact advice IvaiLamDimidov just gave in this situation. The payoff from a limp with a small pair and hitting trips is almost always a double up in an aggressive table, because most people will call an all in from a short stack dependent on their stack size.
Tom1559
Legend
Silver Level
If you are short stacked with low pocket pairs then it is a tough one. Anything from 7's up I would probably say yes but it depends a lot on position and the way the other players play the game. I would be tempted in early position to raise 2 BB's and hope it comes down to 2 or 3 players. You get to see the flop and if no high cards come out you have a chance.
Bengals_Boy
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I wouldnt go shoving Mid to small PPs.I would see cheap flops with em but i wouldnt take it too muck farther than that.Wait on those premium pairs AA KK,and even then there are no garuntees.I see people shoving mid to low pairs in freerolls all the time,Its not so bad if ur up against AK or somethin like that.
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MIKECRUMBS
Enthusiast
Silver Level
position
it depends on your position if your in late position i like to put a feeler raise out there maybe 2x BB if you get a re raise fold if you get a call and flop comes low throw a nice sized bet out there and go from there..... remember if you hit one take all there money.
it depends on your position if your in late position i like to put a feeler raise out there maybe 2x BB if you get a re raise fold if you get a call and flop comes low throw a nice sized bet out there and go from there..... remember if you hit one take all there money.
cjatud2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Silver Level
Just saw this on FTP Academy- Phil Gordon's "Pocket Principle". Count the number of cards higher than your pocket pair (i.e. 88 has 6 higher), count the number of players left to act behind you (i.e. 2 on the BTN), multiply and divide by two, and you get the approximate percentage that someone behind you has a higher pocket pair.
Hope this helps a little- a small pocket pair is about 60-40 to two overcards, I believe
Hope this helps a little- a small pocket pair is about 60-40 to two overcards, I believe
Roller
Legend
Platinum Level
Low Pockets.
In my opinion if you are short stacked you only have two choices.
Push or Fold.
Nerver Call
Never waste Chips to see the Flop.
Most times it situational and you have to trust your instincts.
Roller:
Insticts will guide you True.
In my opinion if you are short stacked you only have two choices.
Push or Fold.
Nerver Call
Never waste Chips to see the Flop.
Most times it situational and you have to trust your instincts.
Roller:
Insticts will guide you True.
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deumsac
Rock Star
Silver Level
I remember seeing AK vs. 66 on pokerloco.com. (I'm guessing 66 is considered kind of a low pair, depends).
The percentages were 53-46 in favor of pocket 6's.
I guess it might vary depending on how low the pocket pair is (say 2's)?
cjatud2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Silver Level
Were the cards suited? It may be closer to 50-50 anyway, you're probably right.
cjatud2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Silver Level
Yeah I just double checked here: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem. A hand like 66 vs AK is just like you said, somewhere between 55-45 and 50-50. I think a scenario that is 60-40 is if you have A: You're a 60-40 favorite unless they have a pair or an ace themselves, in which case one of you is dominated.
Sorry for that mistake!
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fatnestor
Enthusiast
Silver Level
low pair are always best in a multiway pot, that gives you better pots odds and winning that pot will give you a better chance latter in the tournament, this is especially true when you are short stacked. Most of the time people think only about doubling up but that may not always be enough in the stages of the tournament where the blinds and antes are rapidly raising and your M number is jumping out of a plane with a parachute.
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deumsac
Rock Star
Silver Level
Last night I got pocket 4s in a tournament where I had the chip lead (29 people remaining). I decided, since I was on the button, and everyone called, to go all in with my pockets. Is that bad? I decided that most people probably wouldn't have a pocket pair above mine.
The next hand, I got pocket 2s, and did the same... first to act
I decided AK vs 44 for me is better than a coin flip... but is that smart in my position?
Usually, when I'm medium stacked, I push when other people have gone all in, with QQ, AK, KK, and AA. Also, I raise high with AQ or JJ.
The next hand, I got pocket 2s, and did the same... first to act
I decided AK vs 44 for me is better than a coin flip... but is that smart in my position?
Usually, when I'm medium stacked, I push when other people have gone all in, with QQ, AK, KK, and AA. Also, I raise high with AQ or JJ.
kmixer
Legend
Silver Level
In the last tourney I just played in (finished 4th out of 90) it was down to final table and I was short stacked with 44 and 66 two times within a three hand period. I shoved in both cases and got called from A? both times. I survived each one. Naturally this was a coin flip and I could have gotten busted.
I am learning all the time that every hand is different than the last. Next tourney I may not do that again simply because i am short stacked. As others have said actions will depend on what information you have.
I am learning all the time that every hand is different than the last. Next tourney I may not do that again simply because i am short stacked. As others have said actions will depend on what information you have.