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Here is one hand that I played today.I was eliminated with A 8.I raised pre flop and the vilian re raised and I lost my mind and call the vilian's all in.Plese give me some tips about this hand.Let's chat about what I should've done.Gime feedback all right?
 

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He was the bb ,it was 10/20

I raised to 3x = 60$ and the vilian re raised. But this was the first action that I made.
 

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AK - A9 - can already hit you on the flop ...
will kill you and any three cards ...
when the opponent went all in ... I would fall ...
:stupido:
 
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AK - A9 - can already hit you on the flop ...
will kill you and any three cards ...
when the opponent went all in ... I would fall ...
:stupido:
I thought he hadn't ace.I thought he had :qh4: :qd4: or :js4: :jc4:
 
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I thought he hadn't ace.I thought he had :qh4: :qd4: or :js4: :jc4:

you know that you need to consider everything ..)))
even the bad mood of the opponent ..))))
good luck ..)
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Therese one way to play with guys who going all in in preflop - it's falling down or change a table)
a luck will help you anyway)
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet imo, villian is representing a strong hand with a 3bet oop and you are dominated by most hands that would be doing it (TT+, AJss+, AQ+) ... so your basically hoping to flop 2 pair or a miraculous 88x to feel confident with your holdings.

You generally are not happy to see the A on the flop here, granted you can discount some combos since AK is a lower probability (with the flop containing xAK) but you are behind any A9+ so should proceed with caution .... which I believe you did, since difficult to determine the action precisely from screenshots but i think you flat his flop donk bet right?

Why the turn re-raise though, if you believe him to have QQ/JJ type of a hand let him keep firing, your hand is not strong enough to re-raise which means you are bluffing with a hand that has showdown value if the price does not get too high.

So fold pre to the 3b (how much was his reraise too? could certainly make a difference in action), but as played flat turn and reevaluate the river. With a one pair hand only and villian betting strong, unless you have reads that they are a maniac, then you are very likely behind.

Disclaimer: I have been away from poker for a while so could be way off here, and as mentioned a bit difficult to see the true action of the hand from scattered screenshots vs a handhistory.
 
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As a new player, I think the above is very useful and certainly what I'm gleaning from it is to be careful and consider all possible options that an opponent could have and in how many of those cases they are ahead of you. I myself now realise I need to be careful with how much and when I bet.
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet imo, villian is representing a strong hand with a 3bet oop and you are dominated by most hands that would be doing it (TT+, AJss+, AQ+) ... so your basically hoping to flop 2 pair or a miraculous 88x to feel confident with your holdings.

You generally are not happy to see the A on the flop here, granted you can discount some combos since AK is a lower probability (with the flop containing xAK) but you are behind any A9+ so should proceed with caution .... which I believe you did, since difficult to determine the action precisely from screenshots but i think you flat his flop donk bet right?

Why the turn re-raise though, if you believe him to have QQ/JJ type of a hand let him keep firing, your hand is not strong enough to re-raise which means you are bluffing with a hand that has showdown value if the price does not get too high.

So fold pre to the 3b (how much was his reraise too? could certainly make a difference in action), but as played flat turn and reevaluate the river. With a one pair hand only and villian betting strong, unless you have reads that they are a maniac, then you are very likely behind.


Disclaimer: I have been away from poker for a while so could be way off here, and as mentioned a bit difficult to see the true action of the hand from scattered screenshots vs a handhistory.

Agree here - you have to give up A8 preflop. Even if an A flops you are in a very awkward position with a middle A. Unless you have previous reads on him it that would make you think he is weak you should fold.
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet imo, villian is representing a strong hand with a 3bet oop and you are dominated by most hands that would be doing it (TT+, AJss+, AQ+) ... so your basically hoping to flop 2 pair or a miraculous 88x to feel confident with your holdings.

You generally are not happy to see the A on the flop here, granted you can discount some combos since AK is a lower probability (with the flop containing xAK) but you are behind any A9+ so should proceed with caution .... which I believe you did, since difficult to determine the action precisely from screenshots but i think you flat his flop donk bet right?

Why the turn re-raise though, if you believe him to have QQ/JJ type of a hand let him keep firing, your hand is not strong enough to re-raise which means you are bluffing with a hand that has showdown value if the price does not get too high.

So fold pre to the 3b (how much was his reraise too? could certainly make a difference in action), but as played flat turn and reevaluate the river. With a one pair hand only and villian betting strong, unless you have reads that they are a maniac, then you are very likely behind.

Disclaimer: I have been away from poker for a while so could be way off here, and as mentioned a bit difficult to see the true action of the hand from scattered screenshots vs a handhistory.
Thanks mate.It seems that you have a good knowledge in poker.I really apreciate your comment.Would you tell us about your poker history?
 
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Do you have a hand history ? i can't read the positions or stack sizes/bet sizes or game format from the pictures.I mean in a tourney or SNG it might be ok in a cash game it's likely very bad.It looks like a tournament and full ring though so this isn't even an open preflop
 
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I thought he hadn't ace.I thought he had :qh4: :qd4: or :js4: :jc4:
If you thought that then you should have folded pre flop! And you didn't think for a second that A8 was too weak to call an all in? What if he had AK pre flop and all in? Or AA? I'll never be in that situation unless I'm playing a maniac who's all in every hand. But next time I'll advise to fold weak A's unless they're short stack or they can't threaten your stack!
 
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Mostly micro/low-stakes sng's and mtt's, did a bit of grinding at one time on those (but not so much in the last couple of years) and like any format they have ups and downs .... volume is a huge part of the game to try and overcome the variance regardless of how good you might be and the discipline to deal with bad sessions and to also realize that you will not be a winner every time you sit and play.

Also dabbled in cash now and then, but will admit had a tendency to chase losses at times during bad sessions, and combined with already not playing the greatest certainly caused some disastrous sessions, so its certainly the area I could have used the most improvement.

I am hoping to get back into the game again, and the plan is to play cash since the ability to dedicate the time for long MTT's is not really there these days. I have missed the game, and certainly missed the forum and all the great friends I had here and it feels nice just to be creeping around a little the last few days :).


All you can do is play your best, make the right decisions and try and improve your game (so that your best tomorrow can be better than your best today ;)) and learn from making incorrect decisions. Its one thing that makes the forum so great, having the ability to post hands so others can provide analysis and constructive feedback from which you can learn and improve.
 
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Mostly micro/low-stakes sng's and mtt's, did a bit of grinding at one time on those (but not so much in the last couple of years) and like any format they have ups and downs .... volume is a huge part of the game to try and overcome the variance regardless of how good you might be and the discipline to deal with bad sessions and to also realize that you will not be a winner every time you sit and play.

Also dabbled in cash now and then, but will admit had a tendency to chase losses at times during bad sessions, and combined with already not playing the greatest certainly caused some disastrous sessions, so its certainly the area I could have used the most improvement.

I am hoping to get back into the game again, and the plan is to play cash since the ability to dedicate the time for long MTT's is not really there these days. I have missed the game, and certainly missed the forum and all the great friends I had here and it feels nice just to be creeping around a little the last few days :).


All you can do is play your best, make the right decisions and try and improve your game (so that your best tomorrow can be better than your best today ;)) and learn from making incorrect decisions. Its one thing that makes the forum so great, having the ability to post hands so others can provide analysis and constructive feedback from which you can learn and improve.
Thanks again mate for your informations.This is very usefull for me.I want to improve my game and here I hope to do so.
 
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Do you have a hand history ? i can't read the positions or stack sizes/bet sizes or game format from the pictures.I mean in a tourney or SNG it might be ok in a cash game it's likely very bad.It looks like a tournament and full ring though so this isn't even an open preflop
I don't know how to copy and get hand history.
 
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If you thought that then you should have folded pre flop! And you didn't think for a second that A8 was too weak to call an all in? What if he had AK pre flop and all in? Or AA? I'll never be in that situation unless I'm playing a maniac who's all in every hand. But next time I'll advise to fold weak A's unless they're short stack or they can't threaten your stack!
After the flop I thought.I made wrong I agree but I'm here to learn guys.
 
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After the flop I thought.I made wrong I agree but I'm here to learn guys.
I fold countless weak A's and most of the time you'll actually lose especially with my current luck! But only make those calls when you have more information on the player or they're extremely short stack and you think you can handle it otherwise its best to save those chips wasted for a stronger hand!
 
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might want to tighten up your raising range,as many have said its a fold to an all-in and def not a hand to be raising with unless its hijak or button seat,villian realy got lucky with his all-in pre flop hope you noted his donk move there
 
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I don't know how to copy and get hand history.


Download the free trial of Holdem manager or Poker tracker which both have 1 month free trials.It should collect your hand histories and you can review your game from there and copy and paste hand histories from it.
http://www.holdemmanager.com/
 
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Download the free trial of Holdem manager or Poker tracker which both have 1 month free trials.It should collect your hand histories and you can review your game from there and copy and paste hand histories from it.
http://www.holdemmanager.com/
One month for free? Waw! I'm gonna do this today.Holdem manager.Free trial of holdem manager.Didn't know that.
 
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Correct me if im wrong but villian went all in on the turn. Which was a 5. That would have been a red flag. I would have put him on a set of 5s. When someone goes all in you want to ask yourself why are they doing that. Use the time bank and walk back through the hand and consider any other info/observations.

Your a8 was ahead until the turn. When he went all in a fold is in order.
 
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many greatly overestimate Aх
 
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Good to see I'm not the only one, but yes, I realize:
When getting 3bet with A8o and smaller stack, fold is the better option.

Learnt this week:

Even with bigger stack and A7s, most likely it becomes a flip, but it might be worse. Seriously consider folding these hands in the 3bet situation.
 
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i would not go for allin, it is one pair. The strongest one but still one pair. And no much hope for something better than that.
It is easy to say, but when you play and your emotions play against you it is different. I am beginner as well, and still need to work to control emotions.
Good luck my friend in learning process.
 
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Yeah this is a common beginner mistake. Be happy that you learned something from it. Hand selection is one of the biggest leaks that players face at the start of their journey. People see an Ace in their hand and just lose their minds betting. In time, you will see that hand and Auto-muck without hesitation
 
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