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So, I went to the casino yesterday to play a live game at the $1/$3 table...and seems like no matter how good I play, I cannot come out with a win....so I have a few questions for all you live players.

How do you play hands like Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces, preflop so that people dont call crap and luck the flop/turns/rivers?

How much bankroll do you suggest bringing for these tables?

How much do you guys typically buy in for?

Do you guys consistently win on these tables or is it something where you just go up and down till you end up being even at the end of the day?
 
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So, I went to the casino yesterday to play a live game at the $1/$3 table...and seems like no matter how good I play, I cannot come out with a win....so I have a few questions for all you live players.

How do you play hands like Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces, preflop so that people dont call crap and luck the flop/turns/rivers?
BET THE HELL OUT OF THEM - DO NOT SLOW PLAY!

How much bankroll do you suggest bringing for these tables?
A COUPLE BUY-INS BUT I ADMIT I SOMETIMES ONLY DO ONE

How much do you guys typically buy in for?
FULL AMOUNT

Do you guys consistently win on these tables or is it something where you just go up and down till you end up being even at the end of the day?
YES, I DO CONSISTENTLY WIN OVER THE LONG RUN BUT HAVE ALSO DROPPED SEVERAL HUNDRED IN A SESSION

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So, I went to the casino yesterday to play a live game at the $1/$3 table...and seems like no matter how good I play, I cannot come out with a win....so I have a few questions for all you live players.

How do you play hands like Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces, preflop so that people dont call crap and luck the flop/turns/rivers?

How much bankroll do you suggest bringing for these tables?

How much do you guys typically buy in for?

Do you guys consistently win on these tables or is it something where you just go up and down till you end up being even at the end of the day?

1. bet the hell out of the pot.

2. i use the 2% rule before going up in the stakes

3. 100bb ( always buy in for this, no less)

4. depends on the days..there will be days where you will go home broke and then there will be day were you feel like your god like. I always bring 2 buy in when going to a live cash game. and also depends on how long you stay at the table. I think the most i stayed at a live game is 26 hours straight, and started to loose that when i know it was time for me to quit for the day
 
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So, I went to the casino yesterday to play a live game at the $1/$3 table...and seems like no matter how good I play, I cannot come out with a win....so I have a few questions for all you live players.

How do you play hands like Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces, preflop so that people dont call crap and luck the flop/turns/rivers?

How much bankroll do you suggest bringing for these tables?

How much do you guys typically buy in for?

Do you guys consistently win on these tables or is it something where you just go up and down till you end up being even at the end of the day?

If you find it hard to play JJ+ post flop, just buy in for the min and shove TT+ and AJ+ preflop and hope for the best!
 
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The biggest mistake people make playing live is being afraid to lose.

Once you have bought your chips (and you MUST always buy in for the max)
that money is gone.

You are now at war, be prepared but don’t be afraid.
(BTW You may still lose but it won’t be because you get chipped out)

If you have JJ or better than bet them. No limping, slow playing or trying
to make some impressive move you saw Phil Hellmuth do on TV.
Play basic, strong poker when you have it and fold them when you don’t.

Good luck

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If you find it hard to play JJ+ post flop, just buy in for the min and shove TT+ and AJ+ preflop and hope for the best!

I like this advice. Shortstack and completely pwn the people who don't adjust. Although presuming there is a minimum BI of like 40BI I'm not shoving AJ pre.
 
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So, I went to the casino yesterday to play a live game at the $1/$3 table...and seems like no matter how good I play, I cannot come out with a win....so I have a few questions for all you live players.

How do you play hands like Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces, preflop so that people dont call crap and luck the flop/turns/rivers?

How much bankroll do you suggest bringing for these tables?

How much do you guys typically buy in for?

Do you guys consistently win on these tables or is it something where you just go up and down till you end up being even at the end of the day?
1. I play them pretty straight-forward. Live games are much looser, so can value-town more. You will get drawn out but that's poker. Post-flop, just use your hand-reading ability.

2. I generally don't bring any. LOL. I usually withdraw from the ATM because I don't like carrying cash. Anyways, I almost never rebuy if I get felted. The only exceptions are when the game is REALLY good. So to answer your question, I bring 1 buy-in and sometimes 2.

3. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS buyin 100 BB. In fact, if the max is more, I will buy-in 200 BB if the table is deep.

4. It will take longer to realize your winrate live. You see only a fraction of the hands online but generally speaking, if you can bet levels like $10 NL online, you can crush $300 NL live.
 
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I get called by 8-high for 150 BBs AIPF all the time.
 
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I think I really need to play live cash tbh.
 
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I think I really need to play live cash tbh.

my thoughts too.

Most casinos the lowest level NLH game is $1/$2 thus the ability levels of your average player is going to equate to $2NL or $5NL. It's pretty easy to run a profit from live games with basic ABC poker. The biggest drawback to live is the pace, most online players have trouble adjusting to the slower pace and a lot end up falling into the 'I just want to see a flop' style after a while.

If you are thinking about venturing out to play live at a casino or poker room then maybe read thru my post here https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/playing-live-1-2-nlhe-cash-204657/
 
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Most casinos the lowest level NLH game is $1/$2 thus the ability levels of your average player is going to equate to $2NL or $5NL. It's pretty easy to run a profit from live games with basic ABC poker. The biggest drawback to live is the pace, most online players have trouble adjusting to the slower pace and a lot end up falling into the 'I just want to see a flop' style after a while.

If you are thinking about venturing out to play live at a casino or poker room then maybe read thru my post here https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/playing-live-1-2-nlhe-cash-204657/

sly advertising ;)

only reason i'm not playing live is I'm not rolled, the lack of hands is a bit of a problem but if I played live I'd be playing both/4 tabling the pokerstars App.
 
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i play $1/$2 nl and buyin in for $100 and with in 3hrs i am 80% of the time up between $400 to $700. maybe its where i am playing at "casino in fort myers, fla". but i have had almost no luck online and all the luck at casino. for 1- they are ging to call any raise and most likely you will have 1 or 2 follow you all the way to the river trying to hit. what i do is just make them pay every street! and hope they dont suckout on you.
 
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Unfortunately, this seems to be the side effects of low limits where people do not care about playing the game but want to just throw some money around. I don't know if there is any clear fix, or consistent cure for these problems even if you were to shove preflop. I've seen plenty of people willing to play roulette with hands you wouldn't wipe your crack with.
 
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Unfortunately, this seems to be the side effects of low limits where people do not care about playing the game but want to just throw some money around. I don't know if there is any clear fix, or consistent cure for these problems even if you were to shove preflop. I've seen plenty of people willing to play roulette with hands you wouldn't wipe your crack with.

This isn't a problem.
 
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This isn't a problem.
Now, that I re-read what I wrote, this is a good point. People throwing their money around will be profitable in the long run.
 
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5 costly mistakes poker players make

The biggest mistake people make playing live is being afraid to lose.

Once you have bought your chips (and you MUST always buy in for the max)
that money is gone.

You are now at war, be prepared but don’t be afraid.
(BTW You may still lose but it won’t be because you get chipped out)

If you have JJ or better than bet them. No limping, slow playing or trying
to make some impressive move you saw Phil Hellmuth do on TV.
Play basic, strong poker when you have it and fold them when you don’t.

Good luck

:cool:

They are again almost guaranteed to call a bet on the flop and turn as long as no hearts come. When the fourth heart does fall, it kills the action and we win no more money most of the time. The important concept here is to understand that we need to get as much money in the pot when our hand is likely the best. You also need to realize that a lot of cards on the turn or river can stop us from winning any more; therefore we need to maximize our winnings now.

This mistake is by far my favorite, as it usually ends with some poor guy whining in the chat because he lost to someone who had a set and made a full house on the river. It also allows players like myself to see free cards and spike that 2 outer on the river to win the pot. Now that you know what these mistakes are, you now have the knowledge to find and fix them. As an old commercial I used to see all the time would say, “Knowing is half the battle.”


The problem with playing these hands is they have little value and can cause you to lose more money than you should when we hit some piece of it. You’re mainly looking to make some sort of flush or flush draw with these hands. You will only flop a flush about 1% of the time and a flush draw roughly 10% of the time. The other times you’re left folding and losing the money you put in, or worse, making a pair and losing to a bigger pair.

Players fail to realize that they need certain odds to make certain decisions correct. This will make them losing players in the long run. The reason they keep doing this mistake is because they only remember the times they made their hand and won a nice pot. Not understanding that if they look at stats from all the times they had a draw, they actually lost more than they have won.
 
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Health risks in online poker are vastly different to those associated with live poker. While habitual fat assery is common in both, online poker has a number of unique concerns. The most common injury is a bladder burst, caused by hours upon hours sitting in tournaments with no synchronized breaks and no appropriate near by waste receptacle.
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well if you get hand like JJ QQ KK and got raise before you, you should re-raise him 4-5x and if get rainbow flop bet like 60-70% of pot, that dont let you oponent cheap turn and river cards
 
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i would buy in for at least 100 BB's. when playing high pocket pairs i think about where i am in position. you need to find out whos loose and whos tight. that alsoccc determines how i make my raises. this is how i play. i am sure other people think a lot different from me. i usually check or make a small continuation bet if a higher card shows up. dont want to go crazy lol. good luck next time you go :)
 
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The biggest mistake people make playing live is being afraid to lose.

Yes, Scared money rarely wins. When you sit down, it's not money any more. They're chips and the only value they have is right there at the table. When you stand up, it's money again.

If you're bet isn't enough to clear the table but for one call, then make the bets bigger. When you get the feel of the table, it's time to start shuckin and jiving.

I think I really need to play live cash tbh.
my thoughts too.

My world. Every time I walk into a casino (nightly) I feel like a little boy at Disneyland for the first time. The excitement begins before I even leave the house. I would go and play for free.

A tip for making real money at the casino. Sit down at the 100 dollar table and cherry pick. It's usually 2-4 or 5-10. Not any better players really, just better jobs. You can wait all night for the big ones. Win three hands and walk with a few hundred. :D

Oh... jaycism... that's the best avatar in the world.

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table selection is important live just as it is online, but live you get the advantage of being able to make some really informed observations, look for drunk people or people that just seem to be rich and don't care.

At those stakes there's no point trying to 'outplay' thinking opponents, because your money is going to come from the opponents that don't think and so they wont respond to whatever lines you're playing. So just bet for value and fold to aggression (unless it obviously bluffy). That should work well at the stakes your playing.

When I've played with discipline I'd say most I've lost is 1.5 buyins live, and thats at 200nl. When I've tried to play lag or let my ego get in the way I've walked out 10 buyins down! So learn from my mistakes :) I've probabally played about 60 live sessions, so small sample but enough to have half an idea what I'm talking about I guess!
 
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