Limit Holdem - Flopped boat

Just wondering if I played this right and/or if I could have gotten more value by betting the flop or would betting the flop rob me of the value I got on the turn and river?

Dealer: Hand #22734727654
Dealer: YURY-1964 posts the small blind of $0.02
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 posts the big blind of $0.05
Dealer: You have been dealt [Ks Tc]
Dealer: motofunbiker folds
Dealer: krank07 folds
Dealer: YURY-1964 calls $0.03
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 has 8 seconds left to act
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 checks
Dealer: The flop is [Td Kh Kc]
Dealer: YURY-1964 has 8 seconds left to act
Dealer: YURY-1964 checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 checks
Dealer: The turn is [5s]
Dealer: YURY-1964 bets $0.10
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.20
Dealer: YURY-1964 raises to $0.30
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.40
Dealer: YURY-1964 calls $0.10
Dealer: The river is [4h]
Dealer: YURY-1964 checks
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 bets $0.10
Dealer: YURY-1964 raises to $0.20
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 raises to $0.30
Dealer: YURY-1964 raises to $0.40
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 calls $0.10
Dealer: YURY-1964 shows three of a kind, Kings
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 shows a full house, Kings full of Tens
Dealer: atlantafalcons0 wins the pot ($1.62) with a full house, Kings full of Tens

In this case you would have made more money if you bet the flop because he had the K. I think in most cases though when the villain does not have the K a bet would be an action killer. I think starting the betting on the turn was the right thing to do. More of the time he wont have the K.

kmixer said:

In this case you would have made more money if you bet the flop because he had the K. I think in most cases though when the villain does not have the K a bet would be an action killer. I think starting the betting on the turn was the right thing to do. More of the time he wont have the K.

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But do you think if I would have bet the flop he would have wised up to the fact that his trip kings were no good and not raised me on the turn and river?

Honestly at 02/05, no! I think he was capping every street with that K. I think your check on the flop was still the best play. He was trying to improve to a boat as well.

What was his kicker?

kmixer said:

Honestly at 02/05, no! I think he was capping every street with that K. I think your check on the flop was still the best play. He was trying to improve to a boat as well.

What was his kicker?

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His kicker was a 6.

Why the check on the flop? Supposed to build the pot so why not even a min raise. If he's got trips he's rarely folding.

Just the SB and the BB are in the hand and he has a K. He is not going anywhere and he is capping when he can.

I'd recommend not posting results when you're asking for advice on this because you end up getting answers like this.

kmixer said:

In this case you would have made more money if you bet the flop because he had the K.

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Results skew the answers you're going to get. Cut off the hand at the decision point.

I think the flop is just going to depend a lot on villain. Against a station, I'm probably betting the flop because I'm going to get called with a whole host of hands. Against a tighter player, I might check the flop to allow the turn a chance to catch part of his hand.

ats777 said:

I'd recommend not posting results when you're asking for advice on this because you end up getting answers like this.



Results skew the answers you're going to get. Cut off the hand at the decision point.

I think the flop is just going to depend a lot on villain. Against a station, I'm probably betting the flop because I'm going to get called with a whole host of hands. Against a tighter player, I might check the flop to allow the turn a chance to catch part of his hand.

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But without posting the outcome I can't ask questions like this:

But do you think if I would have bet the flop he would have wised up to the fact that his trip kings were no good and not raised me on the turn and river?

But because he posted the outcome we are discussing the outcome.

Also he inst asking what he should have done he was asking if what he did was right?

We are also discussing any reads we might have if we check the Flop and then receive a re raise (and cap) on the turn and river. He doesn't have to post the outcome for us to know the villain had the K once he was capping. If he didnt have the K then he had the other two Tens.

ats777 said:

I'd recommend not posting results when you're asking for advice on this because you end up getting answers like this.



Results skew the answers you're going to get. Cut off the hand at the decision point.

I think the flop is just going to depend a lot on villain. Against a station, I'm probably betting the flop because I'm going to get called with a whole host of hands. Against a tighter player, I might check the flop to allow the turn a chance to catch part of his hand.

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If he doesn't have trips he most likely is folding unless he is on a Straight draw. I don't want him out of the hand until I see if the turn might have produced a straight for him to hit or bluff at.

I understand the importance of building a pot but do we want to chase players away when we have the nuts?

DawgBones said:

Why the check on the flop? Supposed to build the pot so why not even a min raise. If he's got trips he's rarely folding.

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kmixer said:

If he doesn't have trips he most likely is folding unless he is on a Straight draw. I don't want him out of the hand until I see if the turn might have produced a straight for him to hit or bluff at.

I understand the importance of building a pot but do we want to chase players away when we have the nuts?

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That was my main question.

Would he still cap the turn and river if I would have bet the flop?

why not shove or reraise larger when he 3 bet you? you had the nuts.
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edit: I guess this is limit holdem?

atlantafalcons0 said:

That was my main question.

Would he still cap the turn and river if I would have bet the flop?

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Well can't answer that I'm not a fortune teller. My guess is yes. How many times have you folded trips or a set in no limit/limit? This is another "depends" on the opponent, your style of play and your image. I would have bet the flop regardless of knowing the outcome but that's just me.

DawgBones said:

Well can't answer that I'm not a fortune teller. My guess is yes. How many times have you folded trips or a set in no limit/limit? This is another "depends" on the opponent, your style of play and your image. I would have bet the flop regardless of knowing the outcome but that's just me.

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So in your opinion, the hand was played incorrectly?

Don't be passive preflop, it is hu you should be raising when sb limps and then it is an easy bet on the flop. You got the positions and all

atlantafalcons0 said:

So in your opinion, the hand was played incorrectly?

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Who am I to say it was the correct/incorrect way to play it. I would have been betting every street. Learned awhile back (from CC members) that trying to get too cute at these limits rarely pays off and sometimes winds up costing you.

marginal said:

Don't be passive preflop, it is hu you should be raising when sb limps and then it is an easy bet on the flop. You got the positions and all

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+1

marginal said:

Don't be passive preflop, it is hu you should be raising when sb limps and then it is an easy bet on the flop. You got the positions and all

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Yar!

My default line would be to raise pre, bet/call the flop, and then once we get to the turn, go on a raising binge.

However, you can check the flop if you think its certain this player will bet his entire range.

kmixer said:

Also he inst asking what he should have done he was asking if what he did was right?

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Fair enough, but you don't need to know the results of the hand to determine if his play was correct. At the decision point, on the flop, we have no idea what villain has. So to determine what the best play is, you have to calculate what range villain would open-limp with from the small blind and his general style of play. From there, we can determine the best course of action for the hand.

atlantafalcons0 said:

But do you think if I would have bet the flop he would have wised up to the fact that his trip kings were no good and not raised me on the turn and river?

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It seems that your less concerned with your flop play and just want to know if you got the most bets out of villain on this hand? Its likely you could have gotten some flop bets out of him given he was willing to cap both the turn and river.

However, as I've stated above, its easy for us to say that now that we should have bet the flop based on how villain reacted on the turn and river. But at the point in time, on the flop, when you were making the decision to bet or check, you did not have that information. So to give an accurate recommendation, we need to have the same info as you when you were faced with the decision. Knowing that villain capped turn and river and had K6 will generally skew answers. That was my whole point about staying away from posting results.

Nice hand btw!

I thought at minbet poker you just bet raised at every opportunity?

You don't say what his kicker was. But, regardless, most people are not going to be leaving a hand with trips. Worst case scenario is that he might worry at some point and slow it down. Most people are more than happy to have action when they have trips.

The thing is that you didn't know he had trips, and, if he hadn't, he probably would not call a bet with that flop -- although, god knows, I've seen enough people that do in limit games. Any big pair or even any pocket pair. Anything that gives them 2 pair and the hope for a boat. A QJ might stay in with the open end draw. Others might make even more foolish plays.

It also depends on your own table image. If you are in a lot of hands and/or nearly always bet out, your bet on the flop may not be seen as all that strong and may not scare anyone out. People who are perceived as loose tend to get more action than super-tighties.

Agree with mixer, u shoulda bet the flop instead of getting cute.

At that level, ppl chase too much. if they don’t have the king or ten they’ll chase for a str8 or to hit their ace. they’ll also just call u down with the tens or a pocket pair.

but more importantly, ur not gonna know what they have until u bet.

If they got nadda, then oooh well they got nadda, and they’ll just fold or keep it to 1 bet a round. But if ur opponent starts capping it like the way they did on that board they have 10s over kings or a set of kings. Soo u shoulda gotten the party started a lil earlier on the flop. Lolol.

But on the flop its not a lot of $ anyway, it’s the later streets u want, so its not really a big deal because it was capped on the turn and river.

So I really wouldn’t feel bad about it either way. Because in the short term- u made it up on the later streets of the hand.

but over a long run of hands where that type of hand reoccurs -ur gonna lose out on money because of not betting the flop with ur hand and that’s gonna add up over a long run. Ooooh how these minor details add up over the long run? Lolol.

I woulda bet the flop.

Nh and nice pot. gl