Laying down two pair (6 max)

Hi guys first post here would appreciate any replies I mainly want to improve my poker reasoning and correction were its wrong will be greatly appreciated. I mainly play HUsng and my play might be a bit too loose as we play a lot of hands.

So I'm playing a 6 max MTT on stars I've been doing pretty well in the top 40 and chip leader at my table. Another player joins our table he plays about 10 hands from his play he seems to be raising with the more premium hands Pairs broadways etc and limping with more speculative holdings (not a large sample though).

Im in the Big blind 43BB deep with Q8o he limps from the button abt 36BB deep SB calls

and flop comes Kd Qc 8c

Two pair on the flop because of the flush draw want to end the hand asap

SB checks and I bet 2/3 the pot the BT raises 3 times the amount now I'm trying figure which hands he would do this with AK, AQ, KK, QQ, 88, he probably would've raised preflop (unless he trapping) so he has a lot of Kx Qx (probably would have raised KQ, KJ in late position) so possibly KT and below and a lot Qx, suited connecters. Might play JcTc this way as a semi bluff since its a strong draw or any two clubs. I decide to flat and evaluate on the turn. SB folds.

Turn is 3h doesn't help anyone and he bets 3/4 pot. With this bet really leaning towards a strong king had or maybe the JcTc hand but by calling I'd be pot committed on the river. So I decide to shove. He calls and shows K8o and takes the pot.

Should I have folded on the turn and how could I have played differently? Would appreciate feedback. Thank you.

I would've done the same thing. He is repping so many straight/flush/combo draws and that turn card is so safe that you have to just put it in on the turn.

The only other thing that he might have limped with is 88, but that represents such a small percentage of his hands (especially because you already have one of them). Unless you know more about how loose your opponent really is, it's really tough to even put K8 into his range.

In summary: I think you should feel good about how you played that hand

kevbot said:

I would've done the same thing. He is repping so many straight/flush/combo draws and that turn card is so safe that you have to just put it in on the turn.

The only other thing that he might have limped with is 88, but that represents such a small percentage of his hands (especially because you already have one of them). Unless you know more about how loose your opponent really is, it's really tough to even put K8 into his range.

In summary: I think you should feel good about how you played that hand

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I completely agree with kevbot here, especially the part about villain's most likely limp being 88.

Taking things further, even if you know that K8 is in villain's range, it's still a very difficult laydown. There are some spots where I might make that laydown, but they will be few and far between.

Summary: IMO, you played your hand fine and just got coolered. It happens to all of us. Shake it off and move on.

-HooDooKoo

It's hard to lay down two pair here, but I don't really like how you played it postflop. If you were going to shove against a bet on the turn anyway and you put draws in his range, it makes more sense to ship it all in on the flop. You didn't specify bet amounts and pot sizes, but you said if you called the turn bet you'd be pot committed. The villain started the hand with a smaller stack than you had, so he is pot committed. By waiting until the turn to shove, you are losing any fold equity you had on the flop. I'm not saying he would have folded (he probably wouldn't have now that we know he had two pair), but you put him on hands like top pair, middle pair, and straight and/or flush draws. It may have been possible to get him to fold any of those hands on the flop but not after the turn bet.

You played well Sosa. I mean I will played the same if I was on your position, because there were two pairs on the flop and nobody could fold with that cards, so you don't have to worried about that. That things happens. You didn't have very lucky in that hand, but however you played well.

Hey guys really appreciate the prompt replies to a new member like myself and thank you. From Mr Sandbag's response I think I figured out were I went wrong on the turn didn't consider villain's stack size.

Mr Sandbag said:

It's hard to lay down two pair here, but I don't really like how you played it postflop. If you were going to shove against a bet on the turn anyway and you put draws in his range, it makes more sense to ship it all in on the flop. You didn't specify bet amounts and pot sizes, but you said if you called the turn bet you'd be pot committed. The villain started the hand with a smaller stack than you had, so he is pot committed. By waiting until the turn to shove, you are losing any fold equity you had on the flop. I'm not saying he would have folded (he probably wouldn't have now that we know he had two pair), but you put him on hands like top pair, middle pair, and straight and/or flush draws. It may have been possible to get him to fold any of those hands on the flop but not after the turn bet.

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In retrospect you're right, now that I think about it I would've been better off shoving on the flop after the raise. I actually pondered on this for a bit but its a spot I was very unsure of. It was more of fear of the OESD + flush draw. And I made the ultimate mistake by not considering villains remaining chips on the turn. Even if he didn't have that hand with his remaining chips he was never folding on the turn.