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When blinds reach a certain point (10% of starting stacks or so), do we push hands according to the effective stacks left to play?

For instance blinds 100/200. I'm on the btn with KJs with 2600, sb has 2100 and bb 900 this is a shove as long as they are calling tight?

I was always under the impression that my chip count was the determining factor. Which is why I think I have always been break even. Thanks in advance.
 
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To push or not to push? That is the Question.

Hey bud, Personally I would prob still only raise to 600 here and hope to steal the blinds, or get 1 caller and bet half the pot on the flop regardless if checked to.
You didnt mention how many players are left. Are you playing a STT or MTT?
What's the payout structure 50% 30% 20% all these things have to be weighed in each and every decision you make.
My contention is If you raise 3bbs and get reraised (by the 2100 stack obv you arent floding to the 900 stack) you can easily fold.If you move in and get called you are behind and are gonna be a favourite to be knocked out.
As for relative stack sizes if your stack is the smallest only consider your stack as that's the most you can win, base your decisions around that. If you are the Dominating stack then the next biggest stack in a 3 handed tussle is the one to be wary of because he can do the most damaged to your stack.
 
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When blinds reach a certain point (10% of starting stacks or so), do we push hands according to the effective stacks left to play?

For instance blinds 100/200. I'm on the btn with KJs with 2600, sb has 2100 and bb 900 this is a shove as long as they are calling tight?

I was always under the impression that my chip count was the determining factor. Which is why I think I have always been break even. Thanks in advance.

Not your chipstack, the effective chipstack (smaller of yours and the villains'). You are a lot more likely to get called lighter from the BB if he has only 4.5BB as you describe.

I'd probably open the pot for an arbitrary number between 400 and 550 chips (lets say 465), so I can get away from my hand if the SB pushes for 2100. If we bet much more we are pot committed to his shove. If the SB mucks, and the BB pushes all in, its an easy call, since we know his range will be wide, and we are priced in against his raise.
 
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Yup

I always play according to my stack size and how relative it is to the money.For instance if I have 2700 chips and am currently running 34th outta of a tournament with 56 left and 27 get paid I see no reason to make moves.Anyways I see no reason for you to shove allin on the limited instance you used,KJ suited is a raise hand for certain,I would raise to 500.
 
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I guess i have to disagree with every one above and say this is a easy shove.
Even if we have 13BB its still just 10 effective and thats not big enough to play post flop.
Raising 500 and folding is just horrible imo.

OP if you intrested in late stage STT play may recament trying some ICM tools.
 
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I don't see a reason to push here. A smaller raise is just as likely to get the blinds to fold and your risk is minimized. The chips you save in a tournament are far too valuable.
 
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Not your chipstack, the effective chipstack (smaller of yours and the villains'). You are a lot more likely to get called lighter from the BB if he has only 4.5BB as you describe.

I'd probably open the pot for an arbitrary number between 400 and 550 chips (lets say 465), so I can get away from my hand if the SB pushes for 2100. If we bet much more we are pot committed to his shove. If the SB mucks, and the BB pushes all in, its an easy call, since we know his range will be wide, and we are priced in against his raise.


+1 (but would be 529). Good Answer imo.
 
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I always play according to my stack size and how relative it is to the money.For instance if I have 2700 chips and am currently running 34th outta of a tournament with 56 left and 27 get paid I see no reason to make moves.Anyways I see no reason for you to shove allin on the limited instance you used,KJ suited is a raise hand for certain,I would raise to 500.

Liv3 .... he's talking late stage of a SNG.
 
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Oops.... How many players left? If you're on the bubble.... I just shove here. SB won't be looking you up without real good (if he has a clue that is), with BB sitting on ShrtStak.
 
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If SB and BB are passive Pre Flop I bet 500

If SB is aggressive PF and SB passive I bet ALLIN

If the SB is passive and BB aggressive I limp/call the allin from BB (hopefully), or limp/fold to the raise from SB if 3 x BB or more, limp/call the raise from SB if only 2 x BB.
 
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If I'm ITM, I push here no matter what. On the bubble here I raise to 500 and ONLY call reraise from short stack.
I tend to play tight on the bubble with even a smallish stack. Once ITM, I go in crazy mode. Not with rags, but I'm usually all in or fold.
 
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