dj11
Legend
Silver Level
1st post of the day, and probably under caffeinated.
I think it is unwise to think this way regarding HU. LAG vs TAG at HU have only remnant effects, as if you were sitting at a full STT table and watched your villain as the table thins to HU. You will have been exposed to his adjustments. And you can bet that all the players at that table will have made adjustments along the TAG-LAG scale, and by necessity it has to be toward LAG. But again, that is the wrong way to think about it (IMHO). The average non-paired hand in HU will be 7-8, and the average paired hand will be a pair of 7.5's, and on average one of you will have an above average hand while the other has below average.
Pure HU, where from the gitgo the game is mano e mano, is less about cards than it is about juevos. Again LAG-TAG shouldn't be the thinking. More like "My club is bigger than your club" uuh uuh.
If you approach this as a LAG TAG thing, then you will be aggressive with a 98 figuring on average villain will be holding 56 (approximations). And from a statistic POV, HU fits into a LAG fest anyway. Your vp will approach 50%, your AF will also, and theoretically your PFR should approach 100%. Very LAG, but not so appropriate for HU thinking.
If you want an easy way to think about 6max vs full ring, just remove the UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2 starting cards from your thinking.
I think it is unwise to think this way regarding HU. LAG vs TAG at HU have only remnant effects, as if you were sitting at a full STT table and watched your villain as the table thins to HU. You will have been exposed to his adjustments. And you can bet that all the players at that table will have made adjustments along the TAG-LAG scale, and by necessity it has to be toward LAG. But again, that is the wrong way to think about it (IMHO). The average non-paired hand in HU will be 7-8, and the average paired hand will be a pair of 7.5's, and on average one of you will have an above average hand while the other has below average.
Pure HU, where from the gitgo the game is mano e mano, is less about cards than it is about juevos. Again LAG-TAG shouldn't be the thinking. More like "My club is bigger than your club" uuh uuh.
If you approach this as a LAG TAG thing, then you will be aggressive with a 98 figuring on average villain will be holding 56 (approximations). And from a statistic POV, HU fits into a LAG fest anyway. Your vp will approach 50%, your AF will also, and theoretically your PFR should approach 100%. Very LAG, but not so appropriate for HU thinking.
If you want an easy way to think about 6max vs full ring, just remove the UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2 starting cards from your thinking.
Arjonius
Legend
Silver Level
I'm not seeing how it matters what the avg unpaired hand and the avg paired hand are since the opponent's range includes both. So estimating that his avg holding will be 56 by excluding pocket pairs from his range doesn't seem to sit right. I don't know the underlying math, but have read many times that the avg hand is around Q8.
D
dlam
Visionary
Silver Level
What I am saying is that in HU you have to have a loose starting hands.....by the fact the you have to play like 90% off your starting hands and still be agressive postflop.
In FR game people are very selective and play tight game and play maybe 10-20% of their starting hands. Of course you can be loose and play40-50% hands but can you be successful?
Same goes for HU you can play 10-20% of your starting hands but can you be successful?.......no
do LAG for HU and TAG for FR. and maybe something in between for 6 max.
Of course out definition loose or tight might differ....I thinking the number of times see the flop.......is there a HUD number for this?
anyone know if
is there also a number for agressiveness post flop in HUD like number times of bets postflop?
In FR game people are very selective and play tight game and play maybe 10-20% of their starting hands. Of course you can be loose and play40-50% hands but can you be successful?
Same goes for HU you can play 10-20% of your starting hands but can you be successful?.......no
do LAG for HU and TAG for FR. and maybe something in between for 6 max.
Of course out definition loose or tight might differ....I thinking the number of times see the flop.......is there a HUD number for this?
anyone know if
is there also a number for agressiveness post flop in HUD like number times of bets postflop?
slobasaurus
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Split personality =/
Hi,
I'm a MTT player ONLY. I have a few different gears TAG, TAG+1, TAG+2,LAG, LAG+1, LAG+2, SAG 1, SAG2, and my favorite of all time OMGIJDCIGGMWIGP
My point is that I switch gears at the drop of a hat depending on the situation.
I think the key for me is knowing which gear is best for that particular time and place.
TAG= tight aggressive player
TAG 1&2 a little tighter and a little more aggressive.
LAG= loose aggressive player
SAG= super aggressive player
OMGIJDCIGGMWIGP= oh my god i just don't care i gotta go my wife is getting pist......
Hi,
I'm a MTT player ONLY. I have a few different gears TAG, TAG+1, TAG+2,LAG, LAG+1, LAG+2, SAG 1, SAG2, and my favorite of all time OMGIJDCIGGMWIGP
My point is that I switch gears at the drop of a hat depending on the situation.
I think the key for me is knowing which gear is best for that particular time and place.
TAG= tight aggressive player
TAG 1&2 a little tighter and a little more aggressive.
LAG= loose aggressive player
SAG= super aggressive player
OMGIJDCIGGMWIGP= oh my god i just don't care i gotta go my wife is getting pist......
bullishwwd
Legend
Loyaler
DJ, for what it's worth, I really like and agree with all you have stated and how you stated it.1st post of the day, and probably under caffeinated.
I think it is unwise to think this way regarding HU. LAG vs TAG at HU have only remnant effects, as if you were sitting at a full STT table and watched your villain as the table thins to HU. You will have been exposed to his adjustments. And you can bet that all the players at that table will have made adjustments along the TAG-LAG scale, and by necessity it has to be toward LAG. But again, that is the wrong way to think about it (IMHO). The average non-paired hand in HU will be 7-8, and the average paired hand will be a pair of 7.5's, and on average one of you will have an above average hand while the other has below average.
Pure HU, where from the gitgo the game is mano e mano, is less about cards than it is about juevos. Again LAG-TAG shouldn't be the thinking. More like "My club is bigger than your club" uuh uuh.
If you approach this as a LAG TAG thing, then you will be aggressive with a 98 figuring on average villain will be holding 56 (approximations). And from a statistic POV, HU fits into a LAG fest anyway. Your vp will approach 50%, your AF will also, and theoretically your PFR should approach 100%. Very LAG, but not so appropriate for HU thinking.
If you want an easy way to think about 6max vs full ring, just remove the UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2 starting cards from your thinking.
Leo 50
Legend
Silver Level
I think DJ posted some great info. And I do agree with him.
But, (there's always a but isn't there) you have to be on your toes HU,
you need to really work your hands (not your cards)
to exploit your opponents weakness and tendencies.
HU is a very different animal than a full table.
But, (there's always a but isn't there) you have to be on your toes HU,
you need to really work your hands (not your cards)
to exploit your opponents weakness and tendencies.
HU is a very different animal than a full table.
B
BlueNowhere
Legend
Silver Level
The definitions change depending on what game format you're playing. I play pretty LAGgy both at 6-max and HU but I play nowhere near as many hands 6-max. You might say a 75/60 HU is loose yet a 23/22 is loose at full ring. I think your looseness of play can be judged relative to your number of opponents.