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If you are in the buttom position in the first hand of the tournament with a KK pair in the hand. What would you do?
The tournament player starts with 3.000 chips and has 9 player in each tabel. The two player´s in the initial positions fold. The first player in the middle position raise´s to 120 [it started with 10/20 chips BB e SB]. The third player in the middel position raised to 300 [the second mid position player fold].

a) raise all in;
b) fold;
c) re-raise to 1.000
d) re-raise to 600
 
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re-raise to 600 is ideal says Playful
 
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Call

I always try to be sneaky early in tournaments so just call and try to hit like when you have a small pair or see if the board favors risking all your chips. It's just one pair and odds are you'll bust a descent portion of the time. Unless it's a rebuy, then raise all in and hope for the best!!!!
 
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re-raise to 1.000
I think this is the best move, you take extra players, and those who remain will think you are bluffing! And pray that there were no aces on the flop! If it is, reset, one who has remained in the hands of an ace!
 
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If you are in the buttom position in the first hand of the tournament with a KK pair in the hand. What would you do?
The tournament player starts with 3.000 chips and has 9 player in each tabel. The two player´s in the initial positions fold. The first player in the middle position raise´s to 120 [it started with 10/20 chips BB e SB]. The third player in the middel position raised to 300 [the second mid position player fold].

a) raise all in;
b) fold;
c) re-raise to 1.000
d) re-raise to 600
e) call

Excellente choice. This situation happened to me last week and I call, but the big blind went all in and all other people did it and in the flop cames and ace and I lost to a A 8 [pai of aces].

Excellent choice Piliaris747. I will do this in the next time.
re-raise to 1.000
I think this is the best move, you take extra players, and those who remain will think you are bluffing! And pray that there were no aces on the flop! If it is, reset, one who has remained in the hands of an ace!
 
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re-raise to 600 as Playful says XD
 
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I would call here, as if you re-raise there is a big chance one of the first two raisers would go al-in, and KK is really just one pair, and someone definitely holds an ace. So if there is an ace on flop, you're screwed.
 
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I don't like when I am dealt monster hands on the start of the tournament.I don't know actually how to play them correctly, if you play them too passive in order to attract more players into the pot that can be dangerous if you're playing the hand too agressive in order to keep away the lovers of hands llike QJ you usually don't get any value.However, I prefer play monster hands aggresively at any stage so I think re-raise 600 and call the all-in is the best variant.
 
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If it's one of those freerolls where the donks shove Q7o I would call the all in inmediately but from my perspective, it depends on the tournament and the players...
 
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all in. The most players think that is bluff. But sometimes someone with A..... can make better pair. In my case many times other players just fold...
 
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I would do d)
When I have a good hand, I usually raise twice as much as the previous raise.
 
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Thanks for the answers. Mosto people choiced re-raise to 600 or to 1000. Both are good choice and the risk/odd/value are good to go to a re-raise and afraid the other after me. I woul call if I were in the big blind position and there were no re-raise after ther first raise.
 
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I would probably call here, because fold - is too tight, raise - a litlle bit loose, and we have position so we don't worry about some action later
 
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I would like to re-raise to 600 and hope hi push.
 
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As for me - a strange re-raise was made from middle position, is too large. The player wants to scare opponents, so probably the cards is not so good. So I think re-raise 600 is a good decision. :)
 
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i would call to see a flop, or fold if there's another raise. like one said, they def have an ace or something like QQ JJ ect. at least if an ace hits the board, you know you're prob beat unless you get lucky and catch another king
 
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There's no need to play big pots early in a tournament, but in this spot is different since you are kinda forced here. I would personally like flatting for pot control in position, see what the flop brings and take it from there. If your hand is ahead preflop, then you want them to stay in the hand.
 
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It is true Studaddy, an ACE will destroy the KK hand in the most cases. I like to see the flop and if not appear and ACE I bet strong to force a fold, because the odds get down in the 2 other cards left to the oponent with and A, but if you do not force in the pré-flop many people with a low pair will enter and sometimes they made the 333 or 444.
 
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It all comes down to the buy-in of the game In question. If It's a micro, or a mid level buy-in or a higher stakes game.

Also depends on If we've ever played with the said players In other games or not.

In general assuming we have no Info on said players on the very first hand of a game, 4betting In general signify's absolute strength. So I would personally opt to flat In this Instance and hope that the first raiser, looks at our flat as being "Fishy" and/or AQ/AJs/AKs/AKo/AQo or like 10s< and decides to make a move. Also If the first raiser flats, than In the middle Is 900 with you having 2700 behind, and since you have the BTN, you know that even If the first player doesn't Cbet board that the C.O or the RR will Cbet as a default play In a 3bet pot, than you can decide from their. That would be my personal line to take In this Instance.

Now assuming that the RR doesn't Cbet and depending on flop texture you can Cbet flop and hope you get a caller. Again you can also 4 bet but to what 1k? Leaving yourself 2k and them 2k a pop with 3k In the middle only leaves one option on the flop and that's a shove, or you can 4 bet to 600 making It 1800 In the middle with you having 2400 and than what bet 820 post? I mean I just don't understand how we ever get calls In a 4bet pot on the very first hand when we start with 3k In chips In the tourney.

Now If this Is a free-roll I just 4bet to 1k for sure
 
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There's no need to play big pots early in a tournament, but in this spot is different since you are kinda forced here. I would personally like flatting for pot control in position, see what the flop brings and take it from there. If your hand is ahead preflop, then you want them to stay in the hand.


Are we really supposed to be worried about AA on the very first hand of the game? Also we're not really aiming to "Pot control" In this Instance but more so aiming to "Deceive" our opponents Into making blunders post-flop. I like the fact that you decided to "Flat" the 3bet but the reasoning for flatting the 3bet Is what I don't like personally. Assuming that the flop Is 2/9/4(R) and they keep on bombing on flop, are we gonna fold? Also assume you called on flop, now on turn It's lets assume a Q, and again they bomb, now are you again fold?
 
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Re-raise to 600 always, see the flop...
 
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I don't min raise, so i would make it 750-950 to go.. I'm not sure if there is a right answer to this.
 
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And if the first to raise call all in and the second call too? Call or flop?
 
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And if the first to raise call all in and the second call too? Call or flop?


Now you lost me. You ask one question, and than make an entirely different post without telling us what you chose to do In the first place. How does that make any sense at all:confused:
 
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