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Okay chip stacks were $17k (him) me (7k) play money game. He seemed very aggressive during the time I played with him. He goes all in from early position and I call with KK from small blind. He shows AQo and draws a queen on the turn and an ace on the river. I was just wondering if it was correct of me to call since it's a cash game and not a tourney?

sorry meant to post this in Learning Poker.
 
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If you thought he was "aggressive" then yes. I mean the only hand that had you dominated was AA, assuming that this was HU?
 
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If you thought he was "aggressive" then yes. I mean the only hand that had you dominated was AA, assuming that this was HU?

yeah it was heads up thank you
 
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so heads up againts and aggressive player, pocket KK you have and you are facing an all in ... dream situation. except for the bad beat of course:(, this was played how it was supposed to, never fold KK in this format. its just the rule
 
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Moved to Learning Poker. :)
 
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Okay chip stacks were $17k (him) me (7k) play money game. He seemed very aggressive during the time I played with him. He goes all in from early position and I call with KK from small blind. He shows AQo and draws a queen on the turn and an ace on the river. I was just wondering if it was correct of me to call since it's a cash game and not a tourney?

sorry meant to post this in Learning Poker.
You made the right play.
As quoted from HOH vol.1 "About one time in 24, when you hold kings at a full table, someone at the table will be holding aces."
In other words there is only a 4% chance someone is holding aces.
 
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You made the right play.
As quoted from HOH vol.1 "About one time in 24, when you hold kings at a full table, someone at the table will be holding aces."
In other words there is only a 4% chance someone is holding aces.

But that doesn't mean you are going to be up against AA 4% out of the time someone pushes all-in preflop. People don't push with any two cards. (I realize you know this, shinedown, just pointing out.) That's why regd87 said about the villain being aggressive. You have to take him into account to figure out his range of hands that he would push preflop.
 
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for me KK against an aggresive player with more than twice my stack is all in everytime
 
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yea i think you made the right play like everyone else said above, just got unlucky nothing u can do about that.
 
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it was play money, guy coulda been pushing with literally ATC, save 50 bucks up n make a deposit man, the only good thing about play money is that if u have absolutely NO idea at all about poker u can learn hand rankings and the rounds of betting, without risking any money or pride..... carry on playing with play money when u know about all that and ur pride is at stake lol i mean, i know we're in the middle of a recession n all that but anyone thats not living on the streets can scrape together $50 surely.
 
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if the blinds are .01/.02 cents i fold. anything bigger than than i call =)
 
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it was play money, guy coulda been pushing with literally ATC, save 50 bucks up n make a deposit man, the only good thing about play money is that if u have absolutely NO idea at all about poker u can learn hand rankings and the rounds of betting, without risking any money or pride..... carry on playing with play money when u know about all that and ur pride is at stake lol i mean, i know we're in the middle of a recession n all that but anyone thats not living on the streets can scrape together $50 surely.

His sig line does say he has about 1 month playing poker (started 12/08). Good question from someone interested in learning.

There are lots of folks, me included, who will not deposit online and the reasons vary widely. Would not 'knock' anyone for not wanting to lose their $50 cash - and subsequent reloads.

Pride at stake? Building BR's at 5 different sites from -$0- deposits hasn't hurt my pride one bit ... ;)
 
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i'm not so sure i agree with orangepeeleo either. i understand that play money isn't very worthwhile, but at the really high levels they play isn't nearly as bad, and there is always the 500k freeroll... i just think that you need to be able to win at play money before you even think about depositing.

as for the kings situation. i would call with kings every single time heads up, and still about 95% of the time in any other situation. so yeah, good call.
 
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I believe that under the circumstances you provided, your all-in call was right. In a regular cash game with good players involved it may not have been as good of a call. Live and learn though, you only lost play money and learned KK isn't invincible.
 
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His sig line does say he has about 1 month playing poker (started 12/08). Good question from someone interested in learning.

There are lots of folks, me included, who will not deposit online and the reasons vary widely. Would not 'knock' anyone for not wanting to lose their $50 cash - and subsequent reloads.

Pride at stake? Building BR's at 5 different sites from -$0- deposits hasn't hurt my pride one bit ... ;)

Yeah maybe not everyone wants to make a deposit for many different reasons but like i said, it's not hard to get together $50, and if you stick to a good bankroll strategy you should never have to deposit again, if you do lose it and you were sticking to a sensible roll management then you really should give up poker anyways imo because you have to be a really bad player to lose $50 if u stick to say chris fergusons BR strategy.

My main issue is that with play money its very hard to teach yourself bankroll management and good discipline, which are pretty much the 2 most important things in the game i think.

I put $50 in my cousins account about 4 months ago, put some post-its on his laptop screen telling him what limits he could play at and let him crack on, he's built it up to $80 i think at the minute and he's just a 16yr old kid (i've already told him i want a cut if he ever cashes in a big tournament lol)

Congrats on building from 0$ on all those sites, definetly something i couldnt do, i'm notoriusly tight with my cash so the best way for me to learn is to have some amount of real money at stake, don't get me wrong i'm not a high roller (altho i WILL be one day lol) but losing a $2.25 sng because of a mistake on my part hurts me just as much as losing the 100 euro tournies i enter at the local casino every payday
 
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Apologies, I didnt notice his sig line either but having played for nearly 2 months now he surely has a grasp of hand rankings and the betting rounds, thats what i was saying in my original post, that play money is only good for learning the game in its most basic form, once you have something at stake you have something to lose and you should naturally pay more attention to how your playing?? just my opinion
 
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You made the right play.
As quoted from HOH vol.1 "About one time in 24, when you hold kings at a full table, someone at the table will be holding aces."
In other words there is only a 4% chance someone is holding aces.

Harrington has made a change to this rules, btw. It now states...

"About one time in 24, when you hold kings at a full table, someone at the table will be holding aces, unless Ronaldadio is in the pot. If he is and he is holding KK, about one time in 2 someone will hold AA."
It continues...
"If, however, Ronaldadio is the one holding AA and u hold KK, u r about a 1:5 underdog normally. Against Ronaldadio holding AA your KK is now in a coinflip preflop."

:D
 
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In my opinion that depends on your position on the table, your stacks but for the majority of the cases i go all in as well
 
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In my opinion that depends on your position on the table, your stacks but for the majority of the cases i go all in as well

he said it happened in a heads up table, so i think he did the right move, but bad luck can be fatal
 
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Okay chip stacks were $17k (him) me (7k) play money game. He seemed very aggressive during the time I played with him. He goes all in from early position and I call with KK from small blind. He shows AQo and draws a queen on the turn and an ace on the river. I was just wondering if it was correct of me to call since it's a cash game and not a tourney?

sorry meant to post this in Learning Poker.

All-In every time with your chip situation. You raise, then most likely he pushes.
 
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so pocket kk as a starting hand is a great hand no matter what . i like to play agressive but sometimes play it slow and hope the flop comes in your favor. you just got rigged lol
 
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only allin.. with this stacks) but this's poker, A may come anywhen)
 
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Kk is a very good hand but all depends what comes on the board mite even be a bad beat
 
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But that doesn't mean you are going to be up against AA 4% out of the time someone pushes all-in preflop. People don't push with any two cards. (I realize you know this, shinedown, just pointing out.) That's why regd87 said about the villain being aggressive. You have to take him into account to figure out his range of hands that he would push preflop.
Yes I do know this but against an aggressive player, your kings have a much better chance against an aggressive player than against a tight player as an aggressive players range is much wider and therefore KK has a much better chance of holding up unless an ace falls on the flop
 
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Okay chip stacks were $17k (him) me (7k) play money game. He seemed very aggressive during the time I played with him. He goes all in from early position and I call with KK from small blind. He shows AQo and draws a queen on the turn and an ace on the river. I was just wondering if it was correct of me to call since it's a cash game and not a tourney?

sorry meant to post this in Learning Poker.
I would call that hand 10 out of 10 times against an agressive player, He probably has a hand like 10-10, J-J, QQ, KK(not so likely since You have it too)AA,AK A-Q maybe even A-J. Which meanes that youre ahead in something like 85 % of the time and probably more. Easy call.
 
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