Just had a home game end because of my disagree ment, need some feedback...

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Hi, I just had a home game with some good players and some bad... Everyone was a little drunk including me, so I knew that would change some things. but when there was a dealer error and the turn was revealed before anyone bet on the flop, then it was turned back and it was unanimous to use that same card for the turn when it happened, I got pretty pissed.. no one felt that it would change the way the hand would be played out.. but i felt it would be changed dramatically. maybe it showed that the other players werent good or serious players, but I felt that it made a world of difference in the way that the hand would play out. Was I wrong to contest the hand and quit just off of this mistake when everyone else was cool with it?? I was pissed that the rules werent followed correctly, and quit.. just need some input on the situation, cuz i feel like a jackass for quitting for it... tyvm for your input..
 
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This comes down to alot of things if the money involved is important too you, if it's worth disrupting the entire game over, how good a friends these people are.. Personally at my casino the turn card would be shuffled back in and replayed. Yes the turn card being revealed would change the hand conpletely though I wouldn't want to be the one making a big deal over it. I'd most likely
fold the hand if I hadn't put any thing but my blinds in and try to carry out the night having a goodtime. Comes down too alot of things mate so it's hard to say sorry your game turned out this way though hope I helped!
 
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What you normally would do is take the turn card back and set it aside. You would finish the flop betting round then burn and flip the new turn card out (which is infact what the true river would have been) then you shuffle the exposed turn card back into the deck and burn and turn for the river.

You would be amazed how many times the river card is EXACTLY the same card that was the exposed turn.
 
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well these people were close to me, and I didnt even care about the money involved. was my first time playing with them, but i still felt that the rules should be followed, and even though the fact that no one cared, showed me that they were low quality players, as a more advanced player, i saw the huge difference that this would make to everyones play, at least to good players... but not to everyone at the table.. just dont get why people take the rules so lightly... theres enough luck involved in the game as it is... imho
 
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anyone think i was overreacting 2 the situation and should have kept playing??
 
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Nobody can really answer that but you. IMO you probably over reacted, but if that event was going to put you on tilt and make you play badly then maybe it was best to leave.

Just for the sake of the exercise though...

Robert's Rules says:

Section 3 - general poker rules

15. If the dealer prematurely deals any cards before the betting is complete, those cards will not play, even if a player who has not acted decides to fold.

Section 5 - hold 'em

5. If the dealer burns and turns before a betting round is complete, the card(s) may not be used, even if all subsequent players elect to fold. Nobody has an option of accepting or rejecting the card. The betting is then completed, and the error rectified in the prescribed manner for that situation (see 8).

8. A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and deals the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner.
That describes the action in your hand, and it actually surprises me a little - my gut reaction would've been to leave the card on the board and proceed as though everyone had just checked the flop (and then look super-embarrassed).

The other thing to remember about this hand too is that even though there's been an error, it's an error where all the players are privy to the same information. Yes, it changes the play of the hand when they know what they turn card is going to be. But it changes the hand in the same way for all of them, which is another reason I would've been happy to let it slide if they were.

Technically though yes, you were correct to object.
 
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I personally think you overreacted. It's a home game amongst friends, not a casino game amongst professionals. My son has a home game at my house once a week with all his friends. They have been doing this for years now. I have seen things and questioned the way they do things, and then I just scratch my head and leave. The group has made up their own rules that they are happy with. Some of these are pretty far from "official" rules. But they have all agreed and have fun every week playing poker.

A home game does not have to follow "official" poker rules. I agree with pfb8888. In a home game, the majority (or house if they want to override it) rules.
 
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anyone think i was overreacting 2 the situation and should have kept playing??

You probably overreacted a little bit. But if poker is pretty serious to you, (like most of us here) you did the right thing.

A solution to newer dealers is having a more experienced player sit next to them so they can help the guy out or try and stop him before he does something dumb.
 
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OP probably did overreact a little, but as Oz clearly points out you were in fact correct in your objection. So again to Oz's point, if they rejected your objection and that rejection was going to tilt you and make you play bad going forward, then it probably wasn't really an overreaction. It was more like a subconscious decision to remove yourself from a bad game.

And, fwiw, anyone showing up to my home games and/or tournaments knows full well to expect that real poker will be played and actual rules will be followed.
 
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Generally at a drunken home game things like this tend to happen more often... if you quit every time this happens you're going to end up quitting a lot of games
 
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