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and watch me get pwned!
 
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My only interest is watching you get pwnd! :D Kidding, downloading now and I'll be back later.
 
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Hey... I've watched your vid. Just got a few general comments.

Too much swearing, or not enough swearing. I can't really decide.

7:00 table 1, fold pre obv. You're against a solid TAG who will have a strong holding and will bet it aggressively, maybe leaving you making a call on the river with second pair medium kicker not knowing where you are in the hand. Thinking he wouldn't barrel the turn leaving you to take it away is just lol

:p

Seriously though, I'm not sure that your idea of inflating pots pre just because they are so limpy/cally/loosey is always good. Yeah you're prob at least 65% against their calling range pre, but when they hit a pair and you don't, and they haven't got a fold button...

Another tactic could be to still isolate etc. of course, but without over-inflating the pot pre and going for building it up post. You're playing MUCH better than they are post flop, so that ought to be where you are getting the money in, and you WILL still be able to get it in. Something to consider?

Another thing; there are regs at this level who re-isolate, 4bet resteal, etc. Not all the players are fish, and once they peg you for being a thinking player they'll treat you differently, but I guess you know that already.

Last month stars did a promotion, so you only needed 750 VPPs to get platinum, rather than the normal 7,500 VPPs. Hence everyone sporting their platinum badge this month. Don't read too much into that apart from if they are wearing a badge at all they probably have a small penis.

Overall I like your playing style and your calm(ish) attitude. Sorry my comments are not as detailed as yours were on my video, but I am more lazy than you.

Funky bet sizes FTW !
 
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Just finished the video.

First and foremost: it has swearing and 2 CCers, therefor it's awesome.

Like Cafeman31 said, your attitude, even in not in a great session, is excelent and it's very non-spewy. Keeping your coolness allows to make big folds and that's money won.

I'm not a big fan of inflating the pot with fish pre-flop. Iso IP and let it go if I missed it makes a very small loss per pot. I prefer to inflate it post-flop. The players that I won most money from were guys to whom I gave up a lot of small pots and inflate and went to showdown with big pots.

Very nice thought process about table and seat selection. I find it to be one of most important +EV processes.

And last but not least, 2nd video I see of 25NL and I'm amazed on how soft it is. Less fish, better regs for sure but the same weird moves from fish.
 
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downloading, i havent watched it yet but inflating the pot with fish in pre sounds like fun? cafeman and vlad confirmed nits?
 
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downloading, i havent watched it yet but inflating the pot with fish in pre sounds like fun?
Taken to its extreme (AI PF), there is no post flop play. Bad players don't get better by street, they tend to get worse. So I was thinking about this the other day. Surely we want to be putting the money in where our edge is greatest... not always, but it's just a consideration.
 
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but by bloating the pot pre we just exaggerate their early street mistakes so what's the difference?
 
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Yeah i think the bigger opens in the video were all justified really, for reasons pasc said. Lots of players will limp call and then fold to c-bets so punishing them more pre is one way to extract more value, and if they're limp calling lots and not folding to c-bets then we get more value with our hands when we hit anyways and it only costs a bb more. I cant remember the mathsy word but the way pot sizes increase in nl holdem, raising 25c more preflop could make quite a nice little difference on the turn or river. Something i need to do more against the right people.

Think your thought process is generally good jake, and is it bad i lolled when that passive nit guy shoved into your A high flush?

Couldnt find much to say but at 36.30, why did you 3bet ATs in the blinds against a 26/19 reg who is aggressive and folds to 3bets 70%+ - Wouldn't it be better 3betting him there with 67o and flat calling with ATs so we can see a cheapish flop and we know he's gonna bet into us when checked to so we will definitely get a bit of value, against his very wide range (30% i think?)

anyways good video mate. i'd of 3bet that cafeman a lot more though i hear he calls with stuff like 77 :D
 
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but by bloating the pot pre we just exaggerate their early street mistakes so what's the difference?
Difference is, we prefer to get the money in where our edge is greatest. I suggest it's greatest by the river. I also said, if we can still get the money in anyway, without bloating the pot preflop (and we can against some of these guys!) then that's just something to consider against certain villains. I wasn't suggesting a hard and fast rule or anything.
 
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Yeah i think the bigger opens in the video were all justified really, for reasons pasc said. Lots of players will limp call and then fold to c-bets so punishing them more pre is one way to extract more value, and if they're limp calling lots and not folding to c-bets then we get more value with our hands when we hit anyways and it only costs a bb more. I cant remember the mathsy word but the way pot sizes increase in nl holdem, raising 25c more preflop could make quite a nice little difference on the turn or river. Something i need to do more against the right people.
Quite.
 
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I ISO wide because fish limp/call, c/f flops so often.

also acky I havent watched the vid back but your correct sounds like a situation where flatting is better unless I was saying he would call wider but I doubt that!
 
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