JJ has got to be the scariest hand to play pre flop

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Everytime i play JJ theres always at least a Q, K or A on the flop. What is the best way to play JJ?
 
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tbh its not scary at all, many people just don't know what to do in the several situations that can arise. You can't just say that JJ is hard to play PF because of so many situations, including, stack sizes, player reads, what your playing it in(cash,sng, or mtt) It just all depends......I treat 10 10 and JJ the same as low PPs...basically JJ is easy to play...raise PF then go from there. Like I said there is so many situations even after you raise...if you get reraised you have to know how thta person plays, if you dont know, then you might have to lay it down. I t all comes down to ppl over valuing JJ :)
 
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In tournaments I tend to overplay them like a big pair but only later in the tournament when you basically have to get more aggressive. Early in tournaments (so I can make it to later in tournaments) I play them like I do in cash games which is treat them more like a medium pair then a big pair and just set mine with them. Without a set, or without sensing real weakness in my opponnent, then it has to be a very friendly board for me to play them aggressively.
 
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Everytime i play JJ theres always at least a Q, K or A on the flop. What is the best way to play JJ?
The same way you would play any PP where you raise preflop and overs hit the board.
What is so hard to understand?
 
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I'd think that J/J would be less scary than T/T or 9/9 or 8/8 or 7/7. Unless you have a habit of over-valuing them and being unable to get away from them?

I used to have a rough time with J/J. I started to consider them "pocket tens" and that helped.

I used to hate J/J. I mean, I hate hate hated it. I'd spout the "There are three ways to play J/J, and all of them are wrong" slogan over and over again. But now I feel that poor J/J gets too much abuse.
 
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In tournaments I tend to overplay them like a big pair but only later in the tournament when you basically have to get more aggressive. Early in tournaments (so I can make it to later in tournaments) I play them like I do in cash games which is treat them more like a medium pair then a big pair and just set mine with them. Without a set, or without sensing real weakness in my opponnent, then it has to be a very friendly board for me to play them aggressively.

I agree A K Q can beat you and normally people play these hands with any kicker, your just too much of an under dog to make a lot of money from them. I raise alot pre flop 5 BB hoping everyone folds. (later on in a tourney is more profitable). Early on i tend to raise a little less 3 BB and go from there. Any higher cards appear with a big bet or raise and i'm out of there.
 
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This thread is dumb. Don't attach fear or anxiety to any hand. Don't worry about an overcard hitting the flop. Worry about your opponents range and what he thinks of your range. Depending on 1.34 million other factors an Ace hitting the flop might be your best friend (maybe your opponent holds QQ and decided just to call your raise preflop so now when you cbet on an Ace high board he folds the best hand).
 
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This thread is dumb. Don't attach fear or anxiety to any hand. Don't worry about an overcard hitting the flop. Worry about your opponents range and what he thinks of your range. Depending on 1.34 million other factors an Ace hitting the flop might be your best friend (maybe your opponent holds QQ and decided just to call your raise preflop so now when you cbet on an Ace high board he folds the best hand).

I don't think this thread is dumb at all. The information that you along with I provided is information that people, like the OP, can learn and therefore hopefully many others will see and won't ask either....not sure if I'm making any sense but I think you know what I mean. :)
 
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Come on JJ isnt that scary. If you raise your preflop about 3-4x the bb then hit the set

thats good. If you dont hit the set and you see a Q K A then be cautious and try to read

your opponents why did they call your raise.. wat sort of hands do they possess... It also

depends on what stake of ring game or cash game your in. if you play in lower stakes theres

a big chance that JJ would go down with A-x donkeys or K-x, Q-x donks. You can always fold

them its no harm done. Just dont bet more than your stack making you pot committed. Thats

the common mistake of players if they have JJ. :)
 
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i dont understand what scary about the situation . my read for players is what i usually go off of . if you cant read the players you are in fact playing against , u will have to incorprate the scare factor . just learn what to do against the people at the table .
 
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i dont like this situation. i think its the best way to raise pre-flop and to go all-in after or make a big raise after the flop.
 
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This thread is dumb. Don't attach fear or anxiety to any hand. Don't worry about an overcard hitting the flop. Worry about your opponents range and what he thinks of your range. Depending on 1.34 million other factors an Ace hitting the flop might be your best friend (maybe your opponent holds QQ and decided just to call your raise preflop so now when you cbet on an Ace high board he folds the best hand).
I had forgotten to mention c-betting, which is what I do, based on the caller/s or position I'm in.

i dont understand what scary about the situation . my read for players is what i usually go off of . if you cant read the players you are in fact playing against , u will have to incorprate the scare factor . just learn what to do against the people at the table .
Please elaborate a bit, what do you mean by using the "scare factor"?:)

i dont like this situation. i think its the best way to raise pre-flop and to go all-in after or make a big raise after the flop.
What is your average raise and from what position are you doing this?
also, When would you push all-in and what would determine your move on the flop?:)
 
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i have a theory on all pps..... it is as follows..

22-jj limp only...ill call 5 times the bb on any postition with any of these hands ... (in general of course there are variables) trying to set draw obviously .... of course you will have to fold in times you dont want to ...but what ever...look at it as water gone under a bridge you havent even crossed lol...

qq-aa pf raise.... 5xbb.... every single time... ak fits in this catigory as well.. if im reraised in this situation... i look at who did it haha that will tell me what to do next.... ive layed down qq more than one time kk is harder but its been done aa...im not sure if i could lay down aa preflop...even as many times as ive seen it lose....im a numbers guy....and the numbers say push ...


if you get raised more than 5x bb...fold... unless your ss in a mtt or unless its a read you have that says your gunna win..heck even if you just have a "feeling" ... (i woulnt use that one to much haha)

anyway...good luck haha
 
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i have a theory on all pps..... it is as follows..

22-jj limp only...ill call 5 times the bb on any postition with any of these hands ... (in general of course there are variables) trying to set draw obviously .... of course you will have to fold in times you dont want to ...but what ever...look at it as water gone under a bridge you havent even crossed lol...

If you find that you are not getting as deep as you would like to in a tourney, this may be the reason.
My rule of thumb is to fold 22-66 in EP(to many hands beat you pre), limp 77-99 in EP with raising these hands occasionally from MP when folded to you, otherwise its alright to call a small raise from MP, with TT-JJ call in EP and MP(raise more often than you would with 77-99), as for LP, 88-JJ are worth a raise with an emphasis on raising more with TT-JJ than you would with 88-99 from the same position.

qq-aa pf raise.... 5xbb.... every single time... ak fits in this catigory as well.. if im reraised in this situation... i look at who did it haha that will tell me what to do next.... ive layed down qq more than one time kk is harder but its been done aa...im not sure if i could lay down aa preflop...even as many times as ive seen it lose....im a numbers guy....and the numbers say push ...

As for laying down KK, about one time in 24 someone else will be holding AA at a full table and IMO, the odds are just too much in your favor to be letting go of KK unless you have a solid read on villians.

if you get raised more than 5x bb...fold... unless your ss in a mtt or unless its a read you have that says your gunna win..heck even if you just have a "feeling" ... (i woulnt use that one to much haha)

anyway...good luck haha
Look to red.:)
 
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I usually saute' JJ in some butter (raise it 3xbb) and then add in some mushrooms (AcKcQc) on the flop, and then simmer for about half the time clock (mother $#@^ dealer!!!! Does this to me every @#$@$^& time!). Then, I put it on a silver platter (push all in) and serve it to my deserving guests!

For more recipes visit my website at grillingwithdonkey.com
 
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There are so many factors that go into this but in general, for tournaments,

-I'll raise them up and if I get called by solid players (non fish), and there is 1 over, I'll c-bet but fold to resistance.
-If there are two overs, I may check depending on reads.
-If there is a board of unders, I will bet heavy unless I have a very very good read on villain. At least at the lower limits, there is a high probability of players thinking top pair top kicker is good.

Obviously this is very general and a much better way is to just analyze specific hands.
 
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i dont like this situation. i think its the best way to raise pre-flop and to go all-in after or make a big raise after the flop.

actually, that's probably one of the worst moves i've ever seen. yes, raise preflop, but just continuation bet on the flop, don't move all in unless you're completely sure everyone would fold. if you're playing against aggressive players, you either want to bet before they can with jacks, otherwise you have a tough decision as to whether or not you believe they hit a higher pair...
 
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"This thread is dumb."

The board is called "Learning Poker," and the OP is trying to ask questions to learn something, so no, it's not dumb.
 
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Look to red.:)

well put , and yes i always get close in mtts but im close to the bubble either way just shy or just in... so yea ... good stuff ..

as far as the kings ...well were talking about full table all ins haha and of the few i remember none ring a bell as being ones i regret haha so yea it doesnt happen but ive done it and not been sorry so...

thank you..
 
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well put , and yes i always get close in mtts but im close to the bubble either way just shy or just in... so yea ... good stuff ..

as far as the kings ...well were talking about full table all ins haha and of the few i remember none ring a bell as being ones i regret haha so yea it doesnt happen but ive done it and not been sorry so...

thank you..
Wow, try to give some advice and get a proverbial slap in the face:(
 
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Wow, try to give some advice and get a proverbial slap in the face:(

your kidding right?

i was totally giving props ....

as for the kings.... so we dissagree big deal all i said was ive only folded them a few times and its always been situations where i didnt regret it...

i was thanking you for the SOLID pp advice.....

i have issues with mtts...

so yea .... thicken up that skin soldier haha it did sound screwed up when i re-read it but that was un-intentinal.....

anyway..thanks again....
 
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Everytime i play JJ theres always at least a Q, K or A on the flop. What is the best way to play JJ?
This hand is extremely dangerous....i usually play it like i do wired twos... just chuck it....especially if raised preflop.....if you happen to get in cheap...great..but if you have to call a huge raise i would be hesitant..
 
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This thread is dumb. Don't attach fear or anxiety to any hand. Don't worry about an overcard hitting the flop. Worry about your opponents range and what he thinks of your range. Depending on 1.34 million other factors an Ace hitting the flop might be your best friend (maybe your opponent holds QQ and decided just to call your raise preflop so now when you cbet on an Ace high board he folds the best hand).
After dealing the game for many years i found out it usually not very nice to call another players ideas or questions dumb or ignorant..the dynamics of the game suggest that we all play different and are usually always looking for advise...
 
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JJ is a funny hand. I had a break through in my game i think about a month ago. Before i was playing poor hands like QJ KJ, KT. Most cards a lot of beginners would play because they look powerful. But in reality they aren't.

JJ is FAR superior to those hands I listed, but the psychology is the same. You find a hand that looks extremely powerful, JJ, and you get attached to it. You raise significantly preflop, like you should, but an overcard comes out on the flop and you don't know what to do. Well, you should muck them and move on. Its all about training yourself to get rid of hands that look like they're good, but in reality aren't good anymore.
 
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