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J J of button what raise ??? 4-6 big blinds ????
 
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Online, my standard BTN opening raise is 3bb, it doesn't matter what my hand is.
 
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Exactly its probably gonna be 3bb no matter what unless blinds are high then its gonna be 2.5

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Either 3BB or 2.5 for me.

But recently have been laying down JJ because I keep ending up with opponents who have AA AK, QQ and KK :(
 
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Pin JJ in hand is quite vulnerable, so I do not recommend betting much 1.5BB okay because you can always see one with a QK or A to **** your life
 
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6 or even 4 big blinds for a open raise with "only" JJ it´s way too much. Players still overestimate those hands and overpaying too much. With time you will learn that JJ is not that good enough. With that i think that a raise of 2/2.5 bbs is more than enough.
 
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6 4 or even 2,5 and 2bb bet size shouldn't be related to "only" JJ it should be related to table dynamics, to opponent habits to position etc... If you get called by trash hands when you are in position why don't you bet a bit bigger, or you have multiple callers why don't you bet bigger... but dont size it according to your hand, that is a big no no...

Players overestimate a lot of hands, how else would you explain 60 70vpip, same post as above can be posted if we are talking about AK, Ax suited or not, small pockets, any suited cards etc... You can't say that JJ is a weak hand, you cant say that it doesnt have showdown value, of course that you have to be able to let it go if needed but heck there is times when you'll let go aces to if not, you are in troubles m8, but if you are long enough at the table or have enough info on players or have good notes and found leaks or patterns in their play ill say that JJ can be really profitable hand
 
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I would raise 3x BB. Granted JJ is an ify hand, but maybe e1 will think you have KK or QQ. You are really hoping for a fold from all. Would be nice to know your chip stack. If it is low, might even go all in
 
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I would raise 3x BB. Granted JJ is an ify hand, but maybe e1 will think you have KK or QQ. You are really hoping for a fold from all. Would be nice to know your chip stack. If it is low, might even go all in
I think they said they were on BUTTON position.

I would not want them to fold when I have JJ. It is a big hand and when I raise it from Button they might think I am just stealing when really JJ is at the top of my range there in that spot. I might get lucky and have them play back at me which I would way prefer over having them fold.

if it is a cash table I will raise 3bb unless the player in the BB is a really big calling station and then I will raise like 4bb.
if it is a tournament or sit'ngo I will raise it more like 2.5bb or maybe even just 2bb . it kinda depends who is in blinds and other stuff like how big our stacks are.
 
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I agree that table dynamics play the most important role here. I'm also assuming we are discussing a cash game scenario.

But if you are new to the game, I like the logic of having a standard opening size regardless of hand or position.

Personally, I now open-raise between 2.5bb and 4bb depending on opponents left to act, their stack sizes, and tendencies etc., but it took a while for me to get there.
 
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Also if your talking about a tourney then your probably wanting to get it all in since you got to love the flips :) haha

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To me this has got to be the most dangerous hand in poker....if its a tourney i'm putting it all in the middle..cash games 4x bb
 
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If it were me id just flat call and see if I flopped a set or it flopped low and go from there.
 
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It depends on the type of game and for example phase of the tournament. Overall I would recommend a standard raise in my case 2.5-3bb.
 
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To me this has got to be the most dangerous hand in poker....if its a tourney i'm putting it all in the middle..cash games 4x bb
Then why shove in a MTT, and 4x raise in a cash game??? You should be folding if it's a dangerous hand to be playing.
 
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JJ is not good in MTTs, but you can try to play it and see what happens.

So, you should call with it unless there are big raises happening. If there are no Q, K or A on the flop, they could still come at turn or river, and together with pocket Q, K or A will beat your hand.

If you get J on the board - you got a set. Then you can raise. If you didn't - I'd fold to most raises, because its just not worth to risk it.

So, call to see the flop.
 
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In this case you should be up 3 big blind and the flop you expect the trio out, but if it goes K or A and see some aggressive opponents, it is best to withdraw and you could win ...
 
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In this case you should be up 3 big blind and the flop you expect the trio out, but if it goes K or A and see some aggressive opponents, it is best to withdraw and you could win ...

no, that is wrong. at least for MTT table, unless you are in finals.

raising and then folding means you offered your chips for free.

most of the MTT time you either raise and keep raising, or fold. because your main goal is to survive the first 95% of players and not be eliminated.
 
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so what do you suggest? limp? because there is no difference between your first post and the post you quoted beside he was saying to raise. so can you elaborate please...
You are in the button in mtt and do what? if it is folded to you or when it is raised before you????
 
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If all limpers, definitely make a decent raise on the button. If there was a raise, I would call. If there was a 3 bet, I would consider folding based on the players.
 
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The answer to your question really depends on what you hope to accomplish with your raise and how you think the other players at your table will react to your raise.

You have the best position at the table and also likely have been dealt the best hand. Be careful not to raise so much that you fold all the other players out. This is a great hand to play in position post-flop.
 
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