Interested to hear your thoughts

Let's say you are playing a full ring nine handed NLHE game. All the rules are the same, except the SB is posted four seats from the button, and the BB is posted five seats from the button. How would this change how you play from the cut off and the button? Would you change your range when trying to steal if the SB completed his bet and the BB checked? What if seat one limped in? How would this change the way you play the game?

There are no wrong answers, was just mowing the lawn today and this popped in my head. Also, I wanted some of the new players to start thinking about their hand ranges when stealing and what size would your bet be when trying to steal the blinds? I think with my rule change preflop this would have to make you think a lot more about this. I also thought this would just be a fun discussion in general. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

In reality Trigga, the BTN & CO could never be in those positions. They wouldn't be the "BTN" or "CO" anymore, right? Or are you giving the example from a "what if" POV?

just what kind of grass were you mowing? i still would have a wide range of hands here as i got position post flop. but i dont think id be raising to steal so much any more. i think the steal position would now move to were the sb and bb were. but now it would be very dangerous to "steal light" as you wont ever have position if the blinds call.

Suited Frenzy said:

In reality Trigga, the BTN & CO could never be in those positions. They wouldn't be the "BTN" or "CO" anymore, right? Or are you giving the example from a "what if" POV?

Click to expand...

Everything is still the same, button is still button, cut off would still be cut off. Only thing different is where the blinds are posted preflop.

So, the first and second seats, where the blinds were before, would act before the blinds?

chiefer77 said:

So, the first and second seats, where the blinds were before, would act before the blinds?

Click to expand...

Yes, they would act before the blinds would.

TriggaLos said:

Yes, they would act before the blinds would.

Click to expand...

Then nothing changes about your preflop strategy from the cutoff, button or any other position on the table. Except the blinds. Your strategy may change if the action on the flop and beyond starts with the seat in front of the button rather then the SB. Your calling and raising range expands since you are effectively a MP player the rest of the way.

Sure you strategy would change. If you are the button you are last to act, you'll see how everyone else has acted. This would totally change pre flop play, not only on the button, but every other position.

The cutoff and button have a bigger advantage, as they get to see what the blinds do pre-flop.

It's like, in a standard game the only small advantage that the blinds have pre flop is that they get to see what everyone else does. But in your scenario they're in middle position so they only get to see what a few people do pre-flop.

Post flop the blinds will have a slight advantage (over traditional positioning) in that they can see what the earliest positions will do.

It's a situation where the BB and SB are going to be making moves with a wider range. The blinds are probably going to have to play tighter pre-flop. However, the blinds will probably fight back a bit more against the cutoff & button by check/raising light (which replaces three betting from the blinds in a normal game).

Hy trigga, that is some bizzaro world shit right there. On this I have 2 questions.

#1. If the button was still the button, why would there be any change at all?
#1b. But, if the blinds were in front of the button, then what would the order of betting be preflop? You'd have some players on one side of the table betting, then the other players on the other side betting wouldn't you?(like seats 2,3 bet then 6,7 then 9,2 and 5)

#2 Was your lawn mower CUTTING the grass, BURNING the grass, or did YOU CUT and BURN the grass yourself?

Interesting idea. Let's say it's a 9 handed game, button is seat 1. SB is seat 5, BB is seat 6.

I think you'd have to play tighter from seat 2 than from traditional UTG, tighter from seat 3 than traditional UTG+1, etc because your position postflop is now two seats worse than normal. Would probably make for a tighter game overall.

TriggaLos said:

Everything is still the same, button is still button, cut off would still be cut off. Only thing different is where the blinds are posted preflop.

Click to expand...

While you were mowing ... I think you got bit by a wabbid wabbit ...

Why not just make the CU the SB and the BU the BB. That would really change the game around.