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Instincts Vs Math
What is your style of play? i tend to lean more towards the math to make decisions. I am a winning player but i hear some people talking about knowing very little about the math side of poker and are still winning players just playing off their instincts. I will give the flush draw HORRIBLE pot odds on turn and have players calling off 80 percent of their stack with an 18 percent chance to hit and they still hit!

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Ask yourself, for lunch would you rather have the lobster or the cracked crab?
The point is the best players will use both styles. Math to figure out if the play is correct based on your reads (instincts) of what your opponent may have. A flush draw may be the correct play by the math, only if your opponent doesnt have a full house already, or a full house draw taking away one of your outs, or even a higher flush draw...etc... 
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For me its definitely a combination of both. I learned the game while younger but didnt really get into it until I was about 17/18 playing in pubs/homegames etc then casinos and dabbling online. I did alright against those people I was playing using my instinct and things I picked up along the way. It was only when I started to take online seriously that I started to really study the game, it was at this point that I began to understand the math of poker. I started to implement this into my game and guess what, I started to lose money haha.I was justifying myself based on math in far to many spots. It was only over time that I began to find a balance between the two and really start to apply both that I started to see a significant improvement in my game and win rate.

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Poker without mathematics is not a game adequate man can not live relying on instincts.

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re: Poker & Instincts Vs Math
if somebody goes all in from flop (for ex.) i actualy used bouth of them...like i do the math before and in situations like a posible straight or flush or both i call on instinct right...cuz the flop didn't give me the straight but i'm are sure i'll will make it

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Yeah odd are important but impalpable, everything is a matter of mere coincidence  fortune, i usually go for intuition, and in some situations willpower helps me to hit a set, after calling for river card on missed flop, i go in my head come on 7! come on 7! and it does really
Waiting for flush? only up to the turn card. I do not chase flush up to the end. and of course it depends on raise too. I can play bb with any 2 cards, i'm not playing strict poker, so yeah i guess i'm more instincts player. 
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I play mostly with my gut/intuition and just ignore the math. I play every hand when the blinds are low, because I've learned that every hand can be a winner. 72, yeah, I'll see the flop and then make a judgement on how to play based on what flops and who I think I'm playing against. I don't care if they are holdng aa when I flop 2 pairs.

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Math is better than instincts

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I feel they both play a part in each decisions and you cant have one without the other to achieve the goal as a winning player. The more experience of the game the more a person should see how they go hand in hand which is a way of developing instinct.

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Great Question...
And of course it's not one or the other... Gut play is using some degree of math and conversely Math players will shift away from 'odds and percentages' when the situation dictates... But in answering the question.... Pre Flop I will use a lot of Math regarding hand range/position etc... I suppose that applies to most Post Flop I think is what separates good players from the rest... You need to employ both Math and Gut instinct... Some people will sway more to one or the other but I'm sure both qualities are applied by most players... I think I'm 50/50 math/Instinct 
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You can't play without both: math and gut instinct. The former is pretty easy to learn, and the latter comes with experience and observation of the other players, when you're in pots with them and while you're waiting on the sidelines. Never stop paying attention because attention can pay nice dividends. That means closing all windows while playing online, and ignoring the TV sets blaring out the "Big Game" when playing a live venue. Those who don't are putting themselves at a major disadvantage to you. Quote:

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The deeper you are, the more instinct matters imo. Would the villian 3 barrel for value in a 3bet pot with QQ on 349J7? In theory there is some unexploitable calling range on the river but I don't think anyone knows it. Even assigning ranges so you can play the odds mathematically is instinct based.

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The mathematics of poker is quite simple to understand, calculate the percentage of POT ODDS also not difficult and I think with these calculations to take the good conclusions about their actions at the table. Obviously aposstas 80 % so your stack with a flush draw with only 18 % chance of winning the hand is a little bad , but if your read on the player is good Vaida think the move to take him instead of hand. If the 18% turned 100 % on the river with luck, not by calculations

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Most of the time I use math to make a decision, but sometimes just after the cards are dealt a message hits me which clearly tells me what to do, if so mostly call or raise.
And I'll do so because in like 70% of the cases I hit pretty much the nuts (depending on the power of the feeling in preflop) and if not I call acceptable bets and then get a decent hand. Dang, that feeling is great to hit sth. with medicore cards 
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i tend to play by instinct but i do understand or at least have a working knowlegde of the math needed to try to make the best decision possible at any given moment while playingi learned early in life to trust my instincts it hasnt let me down yet

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I use the math to verify my instinct. If they conflict I usually go with the math, but not always.

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re: Poker & Instincts Vs Math
I will say it quite simply the days of math and formulae are gone the new breed is in and play loads of frerolls to relearn your game cos they dont have a clue about the etiquette of poker q8 suit UTG is a massive hand lol


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