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Hi.
To understand how your opponent will react to this or that our bet, we have to evaluate what we have in the image of his eyes. Using the image can give a huge advantage over opponents, for playing certain hands in a style opposite to its image, it is easy to provoke opponents to make mistakes.

How do you use the image of poker?
 
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In first my 2-3 years of playing poker I never think about the image and what does it may give to me. Now I often changing my bet to get more, but it's not always works :D
 
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I think that at the lower limits the players analyzes over the amount of chips you have than how you been playing. If you have many chips they are more afraid, if you play a few hands, always with value but doesn't have many chips no one respects you and pay you forever.
 
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you cant discount table image for sure-ive been told im a nit on a few occasions befor-thats a great image to have i think it lets me take aq few pots down when i have nada-ppl will fold to you more often when they think your a nit-unless they have a hand to play back at you-image comes into play when im in a hand with someone i think is a tag player or a nit-it makes you think a lil more about what they might be check raising with or just raising with
 
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Image on its face, agreed on what people have posted; also my thoughts take into account how my play affects table dynamics. For example each time my game will use image, the bet made will change table dynamics, meaning this movement will also switch table dynamics even though, perception of my image in my opponents mind’s eye has not changed unless they already have my expectation of my future movement built into their model, and especially when my game is looking to play against the grain.

Aggression has to be taken into consideration as well, for example, each time a bet is made aggression is being demonstrated even if the bet is a limp. However, aggressions being used like bringing scorched earth to the table by betting pre at least 4X raise or more depending on the table dynamics at the time. Post flop betting pot or more, my thoughts have reasons behind every move because each bet has a clear objective for the table to have true reactions without deception, this is a broad assessment.

Ethical superman, a TAG, esthetic warrior, a NIT, scorched earth, a LAG, loose passive, tight passive but at any time could morph into scorched earth. How does the table react to these dynamics at any point in time? Different persona’s, bet sizes, unpredictable play from images allow for more freedoms of movements, these multiple images create an illusion of action that usually allow for pots taken down without showdown, or big pots to influence the players from the psychology of bets still based on image in any given moment, with table dynamic switches that influence the other players mind’s eye of perception that will further concrete a false reality.

My personality away from the table is passive aggressive but can play different persona’s at the table this allows all of the above styles to be utilized throughout a MTT session because of knowing how to play each of the above styles to the best of my ability. Not just a human interpretation of knowing how to play against any one style in the moment.

This allows for the opponent to have a true perception of a false reality this has the table stepping and fetching of what is really happening that is built on my image this will have them reacting to my play unless they have a monster, or the tricky players will just call those bets to set traps for cooler hands. Leveling situations is a mental tug of war that in the end the perception of reality is based more on the mental walls in any person’s game that block the true reality of a random situation.

Building multiple image’s keeps the play more of a moving target because eventually even with solid image people will become desensitized to how a person plays, and bets; the ebbs and flow of any image, style, this understanding helps to curb a clear objective for my opponents that are looking to exploit my image while trying to keep my image, and play fresh. But at any time a switch back to my true base style can be done to reshuffle image at the same time the table will reshuffle to my image as well because my play from time to time will be out on my front foot.

This information also needs to include, thoughts of balance through analyzing clusters of hands played. Think of a TAG image for example, in a group of played hands that fit the requirements for a TAG playing two strong hands out of seven in that group as a broad example; how did the opponents react throughout the whole hand? Was the table tight and passive against your movements? Was the dynamics naturally flowing because of the TAG having the lead and others following your movements? These would be indicators of why a player would switch dynamics because most are trying to exploit any image through timing, and why the switch would be profitable that go beyond switching dynamics just for the sake of switching dynamics or letting the dynamics to continue on its natural course?

For my game, mostly a feel type player based on psychology, philosophy this allows the mind to understand ebbs and flows of the game. However, with each image, each switch has reasons with triggers for feel it is through these adjustments hopefully ahead of the opponent’s mind’s eye of natural observation of my switches they will be several hands behind my true intention before they visually see a distinct difference then try to adjust themselves. These are the ebbs and flows of the game through a long running MTT.

My game is actually playing against the tournament dynamics it is this ever changing flow of blinds and antes for my game to switch images for the benefit of keeping up with blinds, the different stages of a long running MTT. The players are there to take me out of my intentional flow that my game is feeling for each ever changing situation of a hand or levels as the game progresses.

Simultaneously thinking how image is flowing with the changing flow of the structure, a question, is my game keeping up with the blinds or is my game sinking towards being behind the structure of the tournament? This is important to know when and why a person would switch image, gears to flow with a seamless change for players then to define their game as well as playing against the tournament.

Anomaly, deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule; one that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify. Balance, flow, clusters of hands, through different ways to play hands. My mind’s eye puts these thoughts together, now the opponent has a human interpretation of a perceived image that now could be true or just a false interpretation of a random situation. The value of a moving image that becomes difficult to interpret or appears easy to exploit, this and other conflicts of image that should go beyond the cards to the psychology of pressure through aggression should be invoked from timed or continuous pressure.

In conclusion, it is easy just to write down a simple response to the gentlemen that started this thread, however, it is just as simple to write down an uninterrupted plan that looks optimal on paper. Being the Monday morning quarterback my version or any player’s version will be proper on the surface. I believe this is where we are supposed to at least field a response of our own perfect vision in a forum because it is here where our thoughts will get judged. Then others interpret if any of this information would be plausible or just a bag of hot air. Giving a detailed response is what was taught in college so, please excuse my long winded response to a great thread question.

An anomaly is what the perception of my play that is to be interpreted by my opponents, this is to be observed by the table’s view of my play while in the moment, and this ultimate perception of a style of play without pattern while understanding my opponent’s future predicted moves from prior hands. The end game is to have my opponents view my flow; my multiple images’ this now becomes an anomaly by their choosing not my game creating this image for them. Thus, this helps to reduce the need to force situations unnecessarily, and to read my opponents movements as true to their abilities.
 
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I don't think image helps a lot online. A lot of people multi table and aren't watching every hand. Things like a lot of shoves or raises will draw attention, but a large chunk of players just look at their cards and the chip stacks of who they are playing, then move on to the next hand. Live is a different story.
 
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Image on its face, agreed on what people have posted; also my thoughts take into account how my play affects table dynamics. For example each time my game will use image, the bet made will change table dynamics, meaning this movement will also switch table dynamics even though, perception of my image in my opponents mind’s eye has not changed unless they already have my expectation of my future movement built into their model, and especially when my game is looking to play against the grain.


I would like to hear the personal opinion, not a quote from the book...
 
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The part of my response in question was all of my thoughts from what was taught from both of my coaches; this post was my human interpretation of their theories. I have not as of yet been searching to read books about table dynamic switches off of image, but until lately the need to read such concepts potentially could have confused what my game was working on from their perspective because my game is mostly feel, instinct. My thoughts are honest in all of my posts, responses, and sorry if my response had a negative effect on your thread. Glad to have met you and hope you have success at the tables.
 
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STL's post was a little long but overall liked it. Many interesting points but everything seems situational more than anything to me. Most everything above makes sense to me but going with instincts (which is a reflection of most everything above) is the overall key to me bc no matter how "geneous" the strategy, everything is always situational.

It is interesting to think about how others play (your image if them), can affect my play though.
 
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Since my response was so long and my information in question here are some variables to go with what was learned at the table. Six max games the dynamics here allows for my game to dominate the pre-flop game because after setting the dynamics to my favor by seeing who wants to embrace what I am doing and those who are looking to just watch and wait. Post flop the opponent(s) who have stayed will have to make the decisions from pressure of bets sizes however, what needs to be understood as well, are my opponents affected by bet sizes, board texture, and on which street do they have the best chance to back down and by what action?

So, by allowing my opponent to always have more of the pressure decisions this gives my game extra ways to win as well as freedom to change image, style, by delaying when my game knows my opponent is in the wrong decision ebb of their game even within different streets by changing sequences of when and how much I bet. What this does is put the players who are embracing what I am doing into a card dependent mode post by them just calling more than raising me back to find out how well I like my hand.

The other players are waiting pre-flop and will tell you when they have a hand then all I have to do is make a simple decision do I have them beat or fold when I do not. Keep the dynamics simple the game becomes simple. This allows the freedom of image change within chaos. Finding out the proper information when the bets are small, when the tournament is young are a must to make the opponent define their hand, and their abilities.

After Black Friday my coaches and I went to Iron Duke, they had limit tables; this is where I learned about table dynamics the best because people say you cannot make them fold. Keep raising pre-flop to max out four bets as much as possible, and showdown a wide variety of winners that have negative ev hands and now the illusion of action is taking place. After a while people show all of their game, they give away all of their information, and what is left? How do they handle aggression when their emotion is not raging?

Position then becomes irrelevant because from my perspective at any time my position became absolute because of taking back position pre/post instead of position being relevant and this understanding now is being transferred to no limit. My game had to instill other unnecessary problems for the opponent to think about first before they could play optimally.

One cent/two cent limit is the most purist game of poker, this is where I get a true micro reaction to eventually exploit or not it does not matter because I know how to bring out the right emotion from this approach eventually my game will profit from this approach. Volume of hands played in clusters gets players to be reactive or tight passive, the need for reading players is my most effective weapon not the bets.

I read Lee Jones limit holdem, Barry Tanenbaum limit holdem strategy; both read twice and will continue to repeat reading them. However, what I have posted about limit experience was not learned from the book because I did not read these books to much later after experiencing what my coaches where showing me by watching them, but the book now becomes my base to come back too instead. Recently within the last two years, I have also read Jared Tendler; the mental game of poker twice, how to be a poker player, the philosophy of poker by Haseeb Qureshi twice as well and plan on to read them again from time to time. Also many old school books because my coaches show information from an old school perspective.

Before embracing table dynamics and image building, and limit poker experience there was much time that was spent on putting people on exact hands pre-flop either by playing or pulling up random tables and using their play as an exercise to read bet sizes from position, out of position, three and four bets, all in’s whatever the situation. Now a wall of reaction is created in my mind’s eye that has to be eliminated because this now becomes a block. This can curb what they may actually have in reality; this is what was meant about a false reality because I have experienced this from a different perspective. What was happening, my game was trending to giving my opponent too much credit about what hand they actually had then assuming without finding out the proper information and folding too much.

Now after working on aggression, the action was faster because of being in more hands, but since my Iron Duke days were behind me, the need to work on things I have not used then re-applying this towards image building because of being all of those styles individually but not as a whole then switching between them by using aggression. Ranging thoughts, hands, bet actions, then putting them on exact hand when it counts is better for my game to read because of making the opponents define their hands before I need to switch. This always gives me the hammer to make the proper decision even if the decision is folding without any remorse. This mostly is a feel because all of my experience is one table at a time.

However, without the understanding of how to communicate for example, my first response to this thread is the base of what was learned the rest of this response is more of the subjective information that happens in real time, my game would not be able to move forward to my response to a question about my information without the first part of what was posted. I appreciate the gentlemen for calling me out because just like at the table he thought I was bluffing for example, and he made an unexpected move from my perspective; the gentlemen switched the forum dynamics to challenge my thought process and I thank them for that as well. Challenging each other’s thought process is what we are supposed to do at and away from the table to bring out the best in our game.

All of this is still subjective because poker is a sum zero game built on miss-information putting this on my opponent’s will make more problems for them than my game in their mind. This allows the brain to use them instead of them using their brain to make the proper move. The advantage my game also has is the education from psychology to invoke on my opponent because of how the brain will process information under pressure or when they are comfortable their actions will match how the brain is reacting or being in a comfortable place in their game as a couple of examples.

Finally, I am a micro-stakes player and use this information plus more to exploit what is shown to me at this level, just like all of my exercises my coaches have shown me time after time, and talking many hours for the many years that I have known both of them. I thank them for their dedication to helping me for free; I give back by giving them my information of what I have learned just like what I am trying to do in this forum as well.
 
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Avatar in poker, in most cases, does not bear any information, and I believe that we should not pay attention to it.
 
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