Did I play my pocket rockets right?

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5 players left in a 10 person SnG. Top 3 are ITM.

Didn't save the hand history so here are chip estimates:

Hero - 1,400
x1 - 800
x2 - 2,000 (SB)
Villain - 4,000 (BB)
x3 - 1,400

Blinds are 50/100

Hero is dealt AA.

x3 folds
Hero raises to 500
x1 folds
x2 folds
Villain calls

Flop: 9, 10, 2 rainbow

Villain checks
Hero raises 200
Villain calls

Turn: 4

Villain checks
Hero raises 200
Villain calls

Turn: 7 (no flush draw)

Villain raises all in
Hero folds
Villain shows J8

In retrospect, I could have shoved preflop and probably gotten Villain to fold, but what good does stealing the blinds do me at this point in the game?
Got scared of the straight draw after seeing the flop, which is why my raises were only 1BB. Let me know what you guys think.
 
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I think your bet was kinda small on the flop. Only 200 into a pot of over 1,000?
 
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You have 900 left after the flop. Get it in when the pot is already over 1k. Or at least bet like 500 or 600 to confuse your opponent.

And as for preflop, 5x is too much. Either raise around 3x or just go all in. You only have 14bbs.
 
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dont 3x, open shove pre.

also dont make your raise sizes bigger according to your starting hand.
 
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Why only 200 on the turn? You might as well check and let him get there for free and check/fold the river.
Bet less preflop, bet more postflop, shove turn.
 
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300 pre. 300 on flop. Ship on the turn.
 
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Get it in preflop. That would probably have done the trick in this specific situation. Because the villain was open-ended on the flop, he would probably call any bet you make. He had alot of chips.

Stealing the blinds is better than losing most of your chips. Just because you have A-A, does not mean you can fade draws. We all want to get paid with aces, but sometimes they just don't hold up. Winning a small pot is much better than losing a big one.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It is easy for us to tell you to jam pre. However, every situation is dynamic. With the line you took (raising 5x pre), jam the flop. But villain would probably snap call anyways.

No one can know their opponent is going to flop a straight draw preflop. Hero's preflop play was OK here. Postflop, not so much. The hand is just a cooler.
 
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dont 3x, open shove pre.

also dont make your raise sizes bigger according to your starting hand.

This seems contradictory to put in mildly. Just putting it out there. However, I agree shoving pre is the best move for this specific situation.

But we already know what villain had all the way to river. Hero did not and could not have known that preflop. Hand is a cooler.
 
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Get it in preflop. That would probably have done the trick in this specific situation. Because the villain was open-ended on the flop, he would probably call any bet you make. He had alot of chips.

Stealing the blinds is better than losing most of your chips. Just because you have A-A, does not mean you can fade draws. We all want to get paid with aces, but sometimes they just don't hold up. Winning a small pot is much better than losing a big one.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It is easy for us to tell you to jam pre. However, every situation is dynamic. With the line you took (raising 5x pre), jam the flop. But villain would probably snap call anyways.

No one can know their opponent is going to flop a straight draw preflop. Hero's preflop play was OK here. Postflop, not so much. The hand is just a cooler.
So you're suggesting shoving preflop so villain doesn't call us with J8?
Shove only if you think villain CL is loose enough to call not so he will fold so he doesn't catch a flop, otherwise you're losing value with AA.
 
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So you're suggesting shoving preflop so villain doesn't call us with J8?
Shove only if you think villain CL is loose enough to call not so he will fold so he doesn't catch a flop, otherwise you're losing value with AA.

Yes, BUT we already know what villain had. I worded my post very carefully.

For this situation - knowing the outcome all the way to the river - that is the only way hero could win the hand in my very humble opinion. No matter what way you slice it, I don't think villain is ever folding once he sees the flop (based on stack sizes).

Hand is just a cooler. An unlucky situation.

Standard line for hero would be 3x-4x pre, and pot or even jam the flop. Once again, only my opinion. Not saying I am right.
 
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Yes, BUT we already know what villain had. I worded my post very carefully.

For this situation - knowing the outcome all the way to the river - that is the only way hero could win the hand in my very humble opinion. No matter what way you slice it, I don't think villain is ever folding once he sees the flop (based on stack sizes).

Hand is just a cooler. An unlucky situation.

Standard line for hero would be 3x-4x pre, and pot or even jam the flop. Once again, only my opinion. Not saying I am right.
If we knew the results of every hand we played before the outcome then poker would be an easy game. Results shouldn't matter, the reason ppl post these hands is so they know what to do next time and shoving AA so villain doesn't call with medicore hands is bad advice imo, no offense just saying. Agree that it's just a bad spot though and villain is calling all the way no matter what after the flop with his stack. Also 10man sng with that loose call preflop, looks like it could be a funstep so with that logic after knowing the results we might as well fold AA preflop since CL with a 4-1 chiplead over you is just as likely to call as he is to fold.
 
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This seems contradictory to put in mildly. Just putting it out there. However, I agree shoving pre is the best move for this specific situation.

But we already know what villain had all the way to river. Hero did not and could not have known that preflop. Hand is a cooler.

lol, what?
 
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lol, what?

The statement that we shouldn't raise bigger based on our hand strength, then saying jam preflop. Contradiction in my humble opinion.

I do not mean any disrespect. It just made me chuckle a little bit. Perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut sometimes.
 
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perhaps.

we're not jamming because we have AA, we're jamming because people will call off their stacks wider than they we will reshove in this spot.

min openings ok too, but if people are calling 5x opens with J8o then obv jamming pre is the best option.
 
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perhaps.

we're not jamming because we have AA, we're jamming because people will call off their stacks wider than they we will reshove in this spot.

min openings ok too, but if people are calling 5x opens with J8o then obv jamming pre is the best option.

Yeah you are right. I just found some humor in your quote from earlier. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful.
 
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Thanks for all the input. It was really a weird situation. Villain actually played pretty tight to that point. I was worried about K/Q, Q/J at the flop.

Not a fun step btw, just a $0.60 SnG.
 
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Thanks for all the input. It was really a weird situation. Villain actually played pretty tight to that point. I was worried about K/Q, Q/J at the flop.

Not a fun step btw, just a $0.60 SnG.
Doesn't change the fact that if he's calling 500 which is close to half of your stack with J8 then he is just as likely to call as he is to fold if you shoved.
But you don't want him to fold, don't let the results of this hand change the fact that you want to be called by weak hands like J8 when you have AA it's just a part of the game that they don't hold up sometimes.
 
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You def wanna raise pre not jam let someone call get a piece on the flop or at least if they fold on the flop youll be getting some extra chips, then just ship pretty much regardless of flop this is definitely the best way to play aces in scenarios remotely similar to this.
 
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I tend to shove all in with AA which does force the table to fold sometimes and I steal the blinds, it is better to win little than to not win at all. I don't think you made the wrong decision, you were just unlucky.
 
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always the same question with shooted rockets

5 players left in a 10 person SnG. Top 3 are ITM.

Didn't save the hand history so here are chip estimates:

Hero - 1,400
x1 - 800
x2 - 2,000 (SB)
Villain - 4,000 (BB)
x3 - 1,400

Blinds are 50/100

Hero is dealt AA.

x3 folds
Hero raises to 500
x1 folds
x2 folds
Villain calls

Flop: 9, 10, 2 rainbow

Villain checks
Hero raises 200
Villain calls

Turn: 4

Villain checks
Hero raises 200
Villain calls

Turn: 7 (no flush draw)

Villain raises all in
Hero folds
Villain shows J8

In retrospect, I could have shoved preflop and probably gotten Villain to fold, but what good does stealing the blinds do me at this point in the game?
Got scared of the straight draw after seeing the flop, which is why my raises were only 1BB. Let me know what you guys think.


You played pretty decent hand with your pocket rockets, but.. Do you know how hard is to fold that hand? I see the situation like this this, you were dead on flop because if you went all in after flop, opponent have 60% of reasons to go all in, he would think - I would, that you either have big slick (AK) or some similar hand or you have over pair, so he would call you I am very positive but your only way what you could do is to go all in on turn. If I played like you I am pretty sure I would go all in on the turn, bo cheap river card. Also, there is a situation with possible set of nines but I saw hand when Chris Jesus Ferguson lost 200k in one hand against Phil Ivey becouse of huge pre-flop raise with pocket rockets, Ivey poked set of 3's on the flop and raised all in, Chris called and lost. It's hard to believe in set on the flop and that was a cash game, easier to fold pocket aces but let's get back to your hand and finish my observation, maybe the best recipe is to raise 4 or 5 time pre-flop and go all in on flop or turn and gamble a bit.
 
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Oh and as played with only 500 left I prolly wouldve called river anyway.
 
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Actually I think you played your hand right. It is highly possible that I would play like you. Maybe I will shove preflop but just as you said, stealing the blind does almost no good. I think on a 9T2 board the villain will call your bet with a J8 hand.
 
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