Did I make a good fold?

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Should I have called all-in here? Top and bottom 2 pair with a flop of all spades, I bet and get followed by a raise and a shove.


full tilt poker Game #14377269207: $3 + 0.30 KO Sit & Go (105780275), Table 3 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:07:23 ET - 2009/08/30
Seat 1: Redhead2000 (2,370)
Seat 2: erny0910 (1,880)
Seat 3: 99wabbit99 (3,800)
Seat 4: Awesomeos (5,030)
Seat 5: the whiz1 (6,190)
Seat 6: 2Kpoker (4,005)
Seat 7: SPE1901 (2,150)
Seat 8: angeleyes20 (2,215)
Seat 9: Gr3atness (2,500)
angeleyes20 posts the small blind of 30
Gr3atness posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gr3atness [Kd 6d]
Redhead2000 folds
erny0910 calls 60
99wabbit99 folds
Awesomeos calls 60
the whiz1 raises to 180
2Kpoker folds
SPE1901 has 15 seconds left to act
SPE1901 calls 180
angeleyes20 folds
Gr3atness calls 120
erny0910 calls 120
Awesomeos calls 120
*** FLOP *** [6s 9s Ks]
Gr3atness bets 540
erny0910 folds
Awesomeos raises to 2,550
the whiz1 raises to 6,010, and is all in
SPE1901 folds
Gr3atness folds
Awesomeos calls 2,300, and is all in
the whiz1 shows [Ac Ad]
Awesomeos shows [Kc 8h]
Uncalled bet of 1,160 returned to the whiz1
*** TURN *** [6s 9s Ks] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [6s 9s Ks 6h] [4h]
the whiz1 shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Awesomeos shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
the whiz1 wins the pot (11,170) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11,170 | Rake 0
Board: [6s 9s Ks 6h 4h]
Seat 1: Redhead2000 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: erny0910 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: 99wabbit99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Awesomeos showed [Kc 8h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 5: the whiz1 showed [Ac Ad] and won (11,170) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: 2Kpoker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: SPE1901 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: angeleyes20 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Gr3atness (big blind) folded on the Flop
 
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in my opion yes you should have called...you had just short of a third of your chips commited....and unlikely someone had the flush at that point....but thats just me...wasn't at the table to see how the other players were playing...give me 5 mins. at a table and i can usually figure out who plays what how:cool:
 
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If you bet on the flop you have to call it cause you comitted yourself with that bet.
And what did you trying to flop?
A flush?!
Even if you are behind you got 18% winning chance by getting your full house....
 
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Personally I dont think I would have even seen the flop in that position and with that hand.

And Im thinking that since your first to bet after the flop with a possible flush already being made I would have checked just to see what the others were holding. If they had limped in with another small bet then sure go for a raise but anything too large and they are likely to have made the flush.
 
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I see no need, to take a huge risk with blinds at 30/60..
IMO it was a good fold, calling a raise from the BB with K6 does not seem like a great call.
I would of played it, only if everyone limped in...
 
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Yeah, calling with K 6, need to know the players, if they were agressive, it could be a good call, such a good call (all-in) but if you called an agressive player and fold his all-in. bad play.
 
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calling a raise from the BB with K6 does not seem like a great call.
I would of played it, only if everyone limped in...

^^ this - why are you calling the 3x raise pf ?

After the miracle flop that you hit well it's kind of hard to let go.

Conclusion: Fold pf and don't get yourself into problems.
 
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i wouldv called,but the callpre wasnt very good o.0
lol id fold a 3x pot raise in BB!
and whats the chances of him having a flush!!!!
so id call..
dam wouldv been a nice turn for u!
maybe next time..good luck
 
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Just some ridiculous calling there on that table preflop... very typical of a $3KO 90plyr. SNG on Fulltilt (terrible imo). Personally I wouldn't call with the K6s in the BB (maybe if you were closing out the action and there were 5 of them in there already... but you're not here.. maybe EP limper is limping AA KK AK and is now going to come over the top with a big raise (or shove even with 900+ in the pot).

In a 5-way pot, I'm checking this hand on the flop & am waiting to see what kind of action is happening ahead of me here (as I'm pretty sure I'm guaranteed that there will be action). If there's a bet & call I might squeeze (maybe,... depends on who & how much they've bet).


"and unlikely someone had the flush at that point" << why? As the hand played out, this is actually pretty likely that one of them is on a made flush (weaker one) and is charging someone on As/Ks to draw out on them.

Best advice I could say after reading this thread >>>> Fold, Fold, Fold, Fold. I'm folding often if I'm going to play in one of these SNG's, and am only calling behind limpers with something like pp's & SC's. I'm really not a big fan of K-Xs in a multi-way pot, especially a raised multi-way pot. imo KXs sucks. I must say I love it when I see a player who has called a raise preflop with KXs only to get stacked by AXs when the flush hits.
 
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I would have folded. A raise and an all in means real strength usually.If only one guy pushed, then i would have called...
But what's with the call preflop?
 
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I wouldn't say its a bad fold. with over 2 people left to act after the all in it would be a coinflip basicly. Looking at the blinds it was still early in the tournament.
You can still recover those chips with the next hands to follow.

But I do agree on the fact that calling with k/6 was rather a bad play.
 
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Bad preflop call. Fold preflop without hesitation. Classic trap hand against you - it looks good, but it ain't.
Bad flop open bet with all spades on the board.

Just because you would have hit the miracle boat on the turn doesn't make it a bad fold post-flop.
 
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That is one of the big leaks with beginning player. Falling in love with 2 suited cards.

There is a 3x the BB raise from what looks to be middle position after 2 calls. You are in a horrid position to position after the flop. With the SB folding you are going to be first to act on ever round from then on and you have k6.

It's an easy preflop fold. 72 can hit 2 pair on the flop and a boat on the turn as well.

You have to realise that to play good poker means you will from time to time fold the winning hand before the river hits. Sometimes that winning hand will be folded preflop. Sometimes it will be fold post flop.

Example you hold 33 on the botton there is a min raise with several callers so you go along for the ride.

The flop comes AQ9 rainbow. UTG leads out for 2/3 the pot there is one caller then it's your turn. Now, what would you do here. If you are even half way decent you will fold.

The rest of the hand goes like this. The turn is a checks and the caller goes all in. UTG insta calls. UTG has AA and the caller has QQ. The river is another 3 and the caller is sent home packing.

Even if utg and something like AK and the caller had QJ you would still be making the right fold despite the outcome of the hand.

You had a weak pair with all overs on the flop. There is almost no good reason to chase a 2 outer against a flop like I have shown. Or for that matter almost any flop that brings 3 overs to your pair.

Your decision to stay preflop was where you made the biggest error.

If, as someone has already mentioned, there were many people calling then you might come in as well. But, only if a raise was for the min. Not for 3x the BB because unless you are playing in a freeroll. A 3 times the BB bet is going to thin the field. That is what it did. Although I am a bit surprised there were still 4 people left. Then again we are talking about only a $3 buy in event. This example shows that you are dealing with a pretty lose bunch.

You need to take some times and seriously think about tightening up your game preflop. Find a good book that goes into detail about what and what not to play preflop would help you a lot in the long run.
 
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I would probably have folded, but then what have you called to hit pre-flop? Two pair is about as good as you were going to get, so in some respects you should just run with it.

The real problem here came with calling pre-flop with a weak hand. Chances are with so many people in the pot you are dominated and in fact, you were by the K8.
 
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im just wondering why in the hell you are in the hand to begin with???
 
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Just some ridiculous calling there on that table preflop... very typical of a $3KO 90plyr. SNG on Fulltilt (terrible imo). Personally I wouldn't call with the K6s in the BB (maybe if you were closing out the action and there were 5 of them in there already... but you're not here.. maybe EP limper is limping AA KK AK and is now going to come over the top with a big raise (or shove even with 900+ in the pot).

In a 5-way pot, I'm checking this hand on the flop & am waiting to see what kind of action is happening ahead of me here (as I'm pretty sure I'm guaranteed that there will be action). If there's a bet & call I might squeeze (maybe,... depends on who & how much they've bet).


"and unlikely someone had the flush at that point" << why? As the hand played out, this is actually pretty likely that one of them is on a made flush (weaker one) and is charging someone on As/Ks to draw out on them.

Best advice I could say after reading this thread >>>> Fold, Fold, Fold, Fold. I'm folding often if I'm going to play in one of these SNG's, and am only calling behind limpers with something like pp's & SC's. I'm really not a big fan of K-Xs in a multi-way pot, especially a raised multi-way pot. imo KXs sucks. I must say I love it when I see a player who has called a raise preflop with KXs only to get stacked by AXs when the flush hits.

TY PO.......



See post, for dumb play.

Tonky666 i wouldv called,but the callpre wasnt very good o.0
lol id fold a 3x pot raise in BB!
and whats the chances of him having a flush!!!!
so id call..
dam wouldv been a nice turn for u!
maybe next time..good luck

Maybe some of them, would take the odds to stay out of the freerolls on here, should not even take place, in are games with suck donkey remarks.

Tonky666, Don't even think for one Sec, that you are going to play based, on your donkey play...

It's so bad to even call, from the BB with crap like that Tonky666, i would tell you to pick up some books, see the only hands you should be calling with, they are AA, AK, KK.
POINT you don't call with crap, or maybe you would like to play a 2.20 HU game on UB Tonky666.
 
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