I got a stupid question: Do horrible players ever think about fixing their game?

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I don't know the answer to it. I'm asking this because sometimes, when I look at other people's ptr or sharkscope out of anger over stupidity getting rewarded, suckouts, etc; their graph is constantly going down in linear form for long period of time without any progress. I'm not a good, profiting player but when I don't do well, I consider stopping what i'm doing, drop stakes, and learn to fix my game and try analyzing before going back to where i was. I'm just wondering and saying to myself "how do they even have a bankroll to lose this much? isn't there some point in their lives where they want to try profiting for a change?"

Here's two examples. I'm not a douchebag to publish their names and cyber-assassinate them but when i see these kind of graphs, those are stupid questions i asked to myself where I cannot figure it out myself.

Horrible graph

Horrible tourney graph
 
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Different people have different priorities, and there are a lot of recreational players. Ultimately they are the ones that make poker profitable for people that are willing to study and try to improve their game. Clearly some people want to improve their game, and that's why sites such as this exist. A lot of people just play for fun.
 
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My guess is that these players don't view themselves as horrible, despite the contrary evidence (which they probably don't ever look at, anyway).

Another way to look at this would be as follows (along the lines of NoWuckingFurries' comments): if you played the lottery every day, would your chart look much different than the ones you attached?
 
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What you find in some cases is that some people make big gains playing SnGs and MTTs. Then because they have heard that if you want to make big money they need to play ring, they proceed to lose it all at the ring games.

PTR only tracks ring game play. So, you don't see how they made the money they are losing.

This is why I recommend that when people are trying to build their bankrolls fom freeroll winnings that they stick to games similar to how they won it. Then when they have a larger BR they can venture into other games.
 
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Some do, some don't. Were you a solid poker player from day one? I doubt any of us were, so be careful judging people on small sample sizes.
 
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I think the big idea is you just can't assume about anyone. To some people 1k doesn't mean anything. You can't assume they are playing to be a great player. Some people just get on for the thrill of the gamble, the rush of the win (and loss). You just never can guess anyone's motive in poker... or life for that matter. So while you worry about improving your game, they may or may not even consider the skill involved.

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Thank the poker gods that they are out there or serious players would make no money. People play for different reasons.

I know someone who plays micro stakes online for fun. He actually understands how to play solid poker but enjoys taking longshot risks. The money isn't large and he has fun. Someone like you or me makes money. Sounds like a win/win to me.

Bill
 
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Maybe their loaded (rich) and just play for fun? They don't care if they lose
 
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I have found a lot of bad players that get lucky seem to think they are winning by being a good player and by no means to i ever encourage them to try and improve, the bad beats and suckouts hurt but over the long run they are gonna give everything back plus some.
 
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I have found a lot of bad players that get lucky seem to think they are winning by being a good player and by no means to i ever encourage them to try and improve, the bad beats and suckouts hurt but over the long run they are gonna give everything back plus some.

Amen to that!
 
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I would have to answer yes to the OPs question because I was a horrible player. My PTR will show that. I am now trying to fix my game. I may still be a horrible player, I'll know after 100k hands.
Most of us bad players spend most of our time hoping to catch or we suffer from FPS because we watch a lot of poker. Every once in a while though one of us stumbles on a forum like this one and actually commits to the forum for mare than a few posts. If we make it that far I think we are on the long road of improvement.
I might still be a fish but at least now I am a fish that can at least see the sharks.
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I would have to answer yes to the OPs question because I was a horrible player. My PTR will show that. I am now trying to fix my game. I may still be a horrible player, I'll know after 100k hands.
Most of us bad players spend most of our time hoping to catch or we suffer from FPS because we watch a lot of poker. Every once in a while though one of us stumbles on a forum like this one and actually commits to the forum for mare than a few posts. If we make it that far I think we are on the long road of improvement.
I might still be a fish but at least now I am a fish that can at least see the sharks.
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I should've been more specific. Not necessarily horrible players. Over 90% including myself as well are horrible since they're all losing players. But you see what I mean? Just like me, you even told yourself in your mind, "I can't go on like this. at this rate, I'm gonna lose a lot more. i better analyze my plays and fix my game." You said your ptr will show but you actually have upswings in the middle and you've actually paused and moved down stakes, just like me, where graph is flatlined neutral at the end which is indication that you stopped. Mine is similar as well. The graphs I posted here are players who have been constantly losing for over a year, no upswing, just constantly lose downslope in linear graph with no turning point at all. They've lost over 10k and almost 30k. I was asking this forum "how the heck do these players even have bankroll to lose this much? don't they feel the need to improve at all after losing constantly downhill for over a year without a single turning point?"

But CCers on this thread responded that it's a life of recreational players who like to gamble for adrenaline purpose. Some even play on here because it beats going to casinos. Anyways, not only did I ask stupid question, i was being stupid to be making such thread. In the end, we shouldn't even encourage those constant downslope losers with no turning point to improve. CCers also told me that they can be doctors, lawyers, retired businessmen, entrepeneurs who have lot of money and play for fun since there are no casinos near them.
 
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Zorba is dead on. It's hard to imagine someone playing for a year and constantly losing and it's really hard to accept when you take a bad beat from them, but we NEED THEM. I don't want to play against Ivey every day.
 
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Zorba is dead on. It's hard to imagine someone playing for a year and constantly losing and it's really hard to accept when you take a bad beat from them, but we NEED THEM. I don't want to play against Ivey every day.

Who would wanna play against me!
 
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Some people have enough money that they play for fun and not worry about profit. I know of one such gentleman whith whom I frequently play live tourneys. He shows up every week, buys in, plays for a while and busts. The whole time he's chatting with everyone, drinking beer and overall hving a good time. He says he know's he's a bad player, but he dosn't care. To him the game is about hanging out with the guys over beers, and not at all about skill or profit. Though I must admit, that there are times when I have a sneaking suspition that hey's just playing us all and is going to go on a major winning streak any time now. heh heh
 
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I think it varies by player. Some do not care, while others try and change some things about their game to try and make it better.
 
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Uhm....no one has said this yet, so I will point it out.

Rakeback is a possibility. Last year I was down around 1k, but with rakeback I was actually up about $400. Its possible that these guys have large enough volume that they are at least staying afloat due to rakeback. Then again since they are losing so bad it is possible that they don't even use rb....
 
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Uhm....no one has said this yet, so I will point it out.

Rakeback is a possibility. Last year I was down around 1k, but with rakeback I was actually up about $400. Its possible that these guys have large enough volume that they are at least staying afloat due to rakeback. Then again since they are losing so bad it is possible that they don't even use rb....

I personally never used rakeback, but did you just say that rakeback took you from -$1000 to +$400, a $1400 increase? I mean that would be unworldly..
 
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Uhm....no one has said this yet, so I will point it out.

Rakeback is a possibility. Last year I was down around 1k, but with rakeback I was actually up about $400. Its possible that these guys have large enough volume that they are at least staying afloat due to rakeback. Then again since they are losing so bad it is possible that they don't even use rb....

Wow! How do I sign up for that rakeback?
 
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Players should sit down and think about how they are playing however they don't as said above they just play for fun and the thrill like blackjack or roulette however Poker at least in my opinion is a lot more professional game compared to the prior ones listed.
 
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I hope they don't fix their game.

^^ completely. Because of that, I feel stupid about this thread since constant downslope bankroll players with no turning point might see this thread from search engine and consider fixing.

Uhm....no one has said this yet, so I will point it out.

Rakeback is a possibility. Last year I was down around 1k, but with rakeback I was actually up about $400. Its possible that these guys have large enough volume that they are at least staying afloat due to rakeback. Then again since they are losing so bad it is possible that they don't even use rb....

The graph i posted on OP, PTR estimated that player's rakeback is $300. even with bonus,etc, it doesn't make up for $9k loss. LOL. You're right. They're losing so bad and I doubt this person has rakeback. lol. Even if they did, it doesn't help them.
 
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I think as said before, some people are simply playing for fun. I suppose some people would see studying and trying to improve as time they could be playing if there on a tight schedule.
 
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Thankfully, there are many possible reasons why losing players keep playing. In addition to those already stated, here ares some others:

There are players who think they're improving their games, but either really aren't, or are but only at a very slow rate. In their minds, they'll start winning as soon as they improve enough. In the meantime, they believe they're piling up hands played / experience that will benefit them later.

In a similar vein, some undoubtedly consider their losses to be a form of paying their dues while they learn how to win and/or get to the next level.

Some believe they're actually good enough to be winning players, just caught in a long run of bad luck that they're riding out.
 
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maybe there not bad player and they don't care for lossing. There are people out there that play just for fun and don't care if they lose
 
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