This is a discussion on Did I do this right? within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; Learning the math :confused: There 8 players in the flop: Hero is on the button and has 78offsuit Everyone calls the $2 bet The Flop comes 7KK 


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Did I do this right?
Learning the math
There 8 players in the flop: Hero is on the button and has 78offsuit Everyone calls the $2 bet The Flop comes 7KK rainbow Everyone checks and the player in Middle position bets $12 and makes the pot $24, Hero gets to work: Hero determines that he has 5 outs(2 Sevens and 3 eights) and uses the rule of 4 and 2 and finds that he needs 20% to fall and he's getting 2:1 on his money and folds. Did I do this right? This was done on Governor of Poker. 
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re: Poker & Did I do this right?
I have the same question, with different numbers, so I thought I just post it here.
The flop is Hero has Hero outs are 4 sixes 4x2=8% Pot is $49. I am being asked to call $13. I am getting 3:1(¼=25%). I need more than 25% to call, so Folding is the best move here. Did I do this right? 
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Yes its a fold.
I am totally hopeless with maths. I use a poker odds chart to aid my decisions You only have a GS and you need 10.8 to 1 to call, as you are only getting 3.8 to 1 it is an easy fold. I use this chart 
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since u are asking if u made the right fold, i dont think u have a good picture of how your opponent is playing, whether or not hes a loose player a nit or what, so u depend on the math for all your decision making at the table, but also try to involve your gut at these decisions, coz sometimes your gut is right and can make you decent money, but for that gut feeling u have to had played a lot of hands to train your gut for those situations where its telling you u should not fold

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Sorry, I should have mentioned that this was in Governor of Poker. I am just learning the math and it works on work computer. 
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i think it was a right decision!

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your calculation is sort of correct except their is no hand you would face that your 8 would give you outs. If villain has a K you need running 7's for quads. The odds calculation would look something like 2/46*1/45. If villain has a pair over your 7s such as 9s or aces, the 8 will not help you (although 8 turn 8 river would help) because the KK on board counterfeits your 2 pair (you know have KK887) vs your opponents higher 2 pair such as KK998. Any other hand you are beating.

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yes.. you did right.. pot odds and cards equity are both against you..

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To answer your question if the math was done correctly, you have the right idea, but not quite. It seems like you understand the rule of 2 and 4, but not exactly when to apply either one. You would only use the rule of 2 in situations where: there is the possibility of future betting after each street. So, neither players are all in. This applies for floptoturn bets and turntoriver bets. You would only use the rule of 4 in situations where: there is no possibility of future betting. So, if a player is all in on the flop, they can no longer bet after the turn. So, if you call, you know you are guaranteed to see the turn and river without having to invest any more money. Since you can see both turn and river, you can multiply by 4 to see your odds of hitting on either the turn or river. If they aren't allin, you can only the turn and river one at a time and must calculate the odds of hitting first on the turn, and then on the river if your opponent bets out again after the turn. If this is too confusing, just remember: Can my opponent bet out again after betting the flop and/or turn? If yes: Rule of 2. Can my opponent bet again after betting the flop? If no: Rule of 4. Just FYI, you'll rarely use rule of 4, so stick with rule of 2 for most situations. Finally, if we go back to your hand. MP bet out $12, making the pot $24. With your 5 outs, if MP still has money behind, there is a chance they can bet the turn. So, we would use rule of 2, giving you only about a 10% chance to hit on the turn. If MP was allin, then the rule of 4 would apply and you would have closer to 20% to hit on either the turn or river. Technically, you have 0 outs as mentioned above since you aren't drawing to a stronger hand, but for the sake of correcting your math, that's how you would do it. Hope this helped. 