Originally Posted by killroy4444
if you are going to get into a hand and its just called to you. a 3x bb is a good bet . with Qj and more than one limper just fold it. you can get into truble with this hand and j 10 and the like . but if you just have to bet it like you have AA. But in this hand you just dont have the info to call.
I disagree with this. If you're in good position and there are several limpers, go ahead and just call. QJ is far too weak to raise with vs more than 1 opponent but as I said earlier, it's how you play these hands post flop that counts. If you flop top pair and it checks to you, you probably have the best hand so why not throw one out there and find out? If you get raised or called then of course, slow it down.
QJ is a decent enough hand that when you do flop a pair, there's a good chance it'll be top pair. Also, in a limped pot it's very unlikely that you'll be facing any overpairs as most of them would have raised preflop. When you get down to connected hands like 56-TJ you can never be sure if someone didn't decide to play a higher pair for set value, but even then, if your playing in position, any probe bet will usually be met with a check raise and then you can reevaluate.
The point is, that limping behind in late position isn't always a horrible thing, and if you exercize proper pot control you should be able to squeeze some positive EV out of hands like JT, QJ or KJ suited or otherwise. Also, playing hands like this is good for your image even when you don't show. Having a Vp$ip in the 25%-30% makes it more likely that you'll get action those times you do flop 2 pair or better. The better you become at post flop play the more you can open up your preflop range.