Hyper-Turbo HUsng vs other formats.

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I would like to know how hard is learning to beat HT HUSNG($1.5) compared to other game formats like mttsng($1) stt($1.5) and cash(NL2)?
 
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I would say it is not really more difficult but higher varience, any HT is high-varience though .. although with the right strategy the HU HT wouldn't be as high-varience as other HT games.

I would say however if you are looking to begin learning and improving your game, I would suggest you stair clear of the HT style as they are a diff strategy than any other game in regards to relying a great deal on a good shove/fold strategy for the most part and not a strategy that really translates to any other style game (unless you plan on being a shove/fold robot in sng's running 30+ tables haha.

I'd suggest to start with either NL2 or the stt's and just remember to stick with a good bankroll management strategy. Speaking of which essentially the higher varience the game the more buy-in's you want to have in your br to help prevent you from going broke, granted that is the case if you are a winning player but even in a learning stage it is best to start working with BRM right away (take it from someone who didn't and greatly regrets it).
 
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I'd rather go with the regular speed HUSNGs than with the Hypers.
 
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If you're just starting, Hyper turbo's are gonna seem like who's getting the luckiest to you.
 
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probably the worst thing to play seriously in poker and very tough to beat with all the variance, luck plays a lot in these especially once you play a lot of volume, not everyone is a fish and in the higher levels there are very few fish, I wouldn't go with these unless you are just trying to have fun/gamble saying you will focus on these to make money is probably not the smartest format to choose when there are others with lower variance and softer games!
 
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Hyper turbos HUSNGs are one of the most profitable games to play today though bernotas, so I would disagree.

That said, nothing wrong with starting out with regular speed or turbo speed HUSNGs.

All lower level HUSNGs are very beatable for good money, it's more about following a few fundamentals:

- Absolutely do not tilt, a ton of otherwise decent players lose money purely because they tilt too often (not just "rage tilt" but just getting emotional and "calling bc I feel like seeing his hand"... don't play emotionally, it's a bad idea).

- You have to play consistently so you keep improving.

- You should be reviewing play, looking at study material (lots of free stuff in the thread I link to in my signature too) and just focusing on improving when you're not playing.

At the end of the day, play what you enjoy playing. It's far easier to make money in the long run if you're playing a game you enjoy. You don't need to love every minute of it, but you shouldn't be playing 30 hrs of cash games if you really dislike them but love the one weekly MTT you play.
 
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good post ryan, you are correct, but for new players it's tough to just get into these unless of course you really want to focus on these, I feel like if you are gonna play these just focus on these mostly because if you are trying to play cash, sng's, or tourneys at the same time your bankroll will start getting kind of messed up since the swings with the hypers and you trying to play them to use the money for other forms of games will mess your roll up badly
 
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I like cash the most because i dont like "dragging to money" game types. Never tried HT HUSNGs, its so fast and thats why it seems fun for me and it also seems hard compered to other formats because you have to play alot more weaker hands.
 
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this is a very tough game not just getting used to the hyper heads up, but getting used to the mental part of the game because there will be a ton of variance swings that will affect your judgement of play.
 
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hypers are very math based and typically offer a very low roi, however at the micro stakes much higher roi's can be achieved, and these are great practice for the hu portion of a normal sngs(ie similiar stack depths)
 
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Well the variance is a bit deceptive because the games are so fast.

So yes, while you can lose 10 buyins in 20 minutes, reality is, even a very small edge adds up over time, that's why the winners in this game are making better hourly rates in hyper turbo HUSNGs than turbos, regular speeds and more than ever before (better than in 2006-2008).

You're totally right about the mental side too. But I like to think that if you want to play poker for a profit, you should really work on keeping your negative emotions in check. And if you work towards that, no game really rewards tilt free play than hyper turbo HUSNGs, because so many opponents will tilt and give you some free edge.

I've personally found it easier to not tilt in hypers versus turbos back in the day (I started by playing mostly turbos and reg speed, but when super/hyper turbos came out I moved to those). Because suckouts and huge win and loss streaks can happen in such a small amount of time, it's really easy for me to not pay attention to how much I'm up or down during a session, I'm just totally focused on playing my best and having fun. Of course, that's just my own experience.

One quick example, a few years ago I was down around $10,000 playing $200 and $350 super turbo HUSNGs on Full Tilt. This is about as high as I've ever played at the time. But I went on a streak of 22 wins in a row and made back something like half my downswing after an entire 2 hour session. Given that you can get out of a hole so fast, it's kind of neat in my mind to not have to worry about downswings as much. If you're playing well and you have an edge, profit will come at some point. And if you don't have an edge, then you need to work hard to get an edge and not focus on anything else.

Just my own thoughts on it.

I'd personally play hyper turbo HUSNGs, a popular zoom format or MTTs if I were to start playing poker with zero knowledge today. Those are are the popular games that have a lot of soft money for players that choose to take them seriously and work hard in. 6 max hypers aren't bad either, but they aren't as large as HUSNGs, so I'd probably put them as my 4th choice.
 
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Well the variance is a bit deceptive because the games are so fast.

So yes, while you can lose 10 buyins in 20 minutes, reality is, even a very small edge adds up over time, that's why the winners in this game are making better hourly rates in hyper turbo HUSNGs than turbos, regular speeds and more than ever before (better than in 2006-2008).

You're totally right about the mental side too. But I like to think that if you want to play poker for a profit, you should really work on keeping your negative emotions in check. And if you work towards that, no game really rewards tilt free play than hyper turbo HUSNGs, because so many opponents will tilt and give you some free edge.

I've personally found it easier to not tilt in hypers versus turbos back in the day (I started by playing mostly turbos and reg speed, but when super/hyper turbos came out I moved to those). Because suckouts and huge win and loss streaks can happen in such a small amount of time, it's really easy for me to not pay attention to how much I'm up or down during a session, I'm just totally focused on playing my best and having fun. Of course, that's just my own experience.

One quick example, a few years ago I was down around $10,000 playing $200 and $350 super turbo HUSNGs on Full Tilt. This is about as high as I've ever played at the time. But I went on a streak of 22 wins in a row and made back something like half my downswing after an entire 2 hour session. Given that you can get out of a hole so fast, it's kind of neat in my mind to not have to worry about downswings as much. If you're playing well and you have an edge, profit will come at some point. And if you don't have an edge, then you need to work hard to get an edge and not focus on anything else.

Just my own thoughts on it.

I'd personally play hyper turbo HUSNGs, a popular zoom format or MTTs if I were to start playing poker with zero knowledge today. Those are are the popular games that have a lot of soft money for players that choose to take them seriously and work hard in. 6 max hypers aren't bad either, but they aren't as large as HUSNGs, so I'd probably put them as my 4th choice.

I'm not going to dispute anything that HUSNG Ryan has said here, as I believe he's right in every case. I would, however, caution people that hypers are a very strange brand of poker. There is more preflop shoving in hypers than you'll find in turbos or regular speed --- or any other poker derivative, really --- so you give away some edge if you're a really skilled poker player.

I'm not knocking hyper players or their level of skill. I'm simply saying that, for many traditional poker players, hypers will never feel like "real" poker. Having said that, they can be very profitable and, like HUSNG Ryan said, they generally benefit players that don't tilt.

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo
 
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learning hyper turbo stt is very easy, you only need to know push, fold ranges, and observe the other players style. what is really hard are the downswings, i have played some 1.5 stt and the variance is incredible high. you should have at least 200 bi in order to play those stt. good luck.
 
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