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At what sample size do you consider VPIP/PFR/AF "valid"?
What about Fold to CB/3B/Fold to 3B?



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I could be wrong but here is what I have gone by....

VPIP - 20+ hands
PFR - 20+ hands
AF - 100+ hands
CB - 100+ hands
3B - 100+ hands
F to 3B - 100+ hands

Hope this helps!
 
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Thanks! That was my thinking as well but wanted some confirmation.
Was playing 4NL/FR this weekend and had 3 nits {50+ hands 9/9 etc}
and what I think was a multitable reg {150+ hands 13/7} on my right.
Seemed to really click as to how I should play these guys now that I know their tendencies....
 
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Thanks! That was my thinking as well but wanted some confirmation.
Was playing 4NL/FR this weekend and had 3 nits {50+ hands 9/9 etc}
and what I think was a multitable reg {150+ hands 13/7} on my right.
Seemed to really click as to how I should play these guys now that I know their tendencies....

Sorry to add more questions to your thread AugustWest but I have a question about putting the "multitable reg {150+ hands 13/7}" on a range. So the VPIP and PFR have a difference of 5 which is not ideal but doesnt show hes a fish. PFR of 7% means Villain is opening like QQ+/AJ+ (roughly as I dont have a equity calc to figure that out). So the difference in the VPIP to PFR of 5 is his flat calls/limps? So we could assume that this is like pocket pairs and some broadway cards?

Ive been doing a lot of studying on this stuff lately and wouldnt mind some advice on how we should break down the Villains range based on VPIP/PFR stats.
 
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The difference is call/limps, I would assume small pp's/Axs and sc's if it was a multiway pot. I'm a noob so I might be way off base here :eek:
 
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Sorry to add more questions to your thread AugustWest but I have a question about putting the "multitable reg {150+ hands 13/7}" on a range. So the VPIP and PFR have a difference of 5 which is not ideal but doesnt show hes a fish. PFR of 7% means Villain is opening like QQ+/AJ+ (roughly as I dont have a equity calc to figure that out). So the difference in the VPIP to PFR of 5 is his flat calls/limps? So we could assume that this is like pocket pairs and some broadway cards?

Ive been doing a lot of studying on this stuff lately and wouldnt mind some advice on how we should break down the Villains range based on VPIP/PFR stats.

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On your example his 7% should look like this.(maybe KQ/AJ instead of 88-99)
7pstove
and 13%
13stove

So you can guess the hands is limping/calling.(lower PP´s SC and some BW like you mention)



You can set different hands or ranges
Pstovcardsvscards

Play with this for some time it helps a lot for hand reviewing.
 
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Things like fold to 3bet etc should be done on the sample you have of that specific stat, not the amount of hands you have.

For example, if I have 200 hands on a villain but he's only been 3bet once and he's folded that stat still doesnt mean a thing after 200 hands.

You can see over how many samples a stat is based on in brackets after the stat, i.e. fold to 3bet 100% (1), means he's only been 3bet once so you still cant take anything from that.

Just my 2c, its an important thing to remember :)
 
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Also, if you have a iphone, check out pokercruncher. 'Stove on steroids...
 
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Also, if you have a iPhone, check out pokercruncher. 'Stove on steroids...

Mannn this is awesome. I have a mac so I couldnt get 'Stove and had a demo of OddsOracle but its just sooooo slow and did not like it at all. Thanks for pointing this out!
 
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Your welcome and the author is very responsive with any questions.
 
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Hey guys, I have a few stupid questions,,,,,first one....what is the AF based on?...does it reflect pre/f raises, 3-bets,c-bets, double, triple barrels combined?.............what does wtst mean?.......I had another question but its gone....eh......oh, do you use pokerstove to get ranges based on a villians vpip percentage?....ty
 
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Hi Alfie,

Aggression factor is calculated: (Bet + Raise) / Call, checking or folding has no effect.

Went to Showdown How often someone goes to showdown when the flop was seen. IE their cards are shown at the end of the hand.

PokerStove can give you a rough estimate based on VPIP/PFR.

Love the "Tonight I'm a pokerstar" thread :beerglass
 
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Hi Alfie,

Aggression factor is calculated: (Bet + Raise) / Call, checking or folding has no effect.

Went to Showdown How often someone goes to showdown when the flop was seen. IE their cards are shown at the end of the hand.

PokerStove can give you a rough estimate based on VPIP/PFR.

Love the "Tonight I'm a pokerstar" thread :beerglass

thanks man, i just got hem and trying to work it all out lol....yeah i think i get it now, cheers :) .... nice one i was using pokerstove (before i got hem) and couldnt understand how it was meant to be used haha....now i get it....ty....

you should make your own wee blog for ranting and getting away with asking nooby questions like what i do lol....cheers :beer:
 
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