How would you play this hand?

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Disclaimer: I tried posting this in cash game hand analysis but the cardschat App doesnt let me select what type of game it was so I couldnt post it.

This is play money zoom. No info/stats on the villain (playing on the phone)
Hero 15k chips
Villain 9k chips.

Hero is dealt Ac8d in the button
Blinds 50/100.
Villain calls.
Hero raises 100 - 300
Everyone folds
Villain on cutoff calls.

Pot is 750
Flop 9s 8s Kd

Villain check
Hero bets 400.
Villain calls

Pot is 1550
Turn 5h

Villain check
Hero bet 900
Villain calls

Pot is 3350
River Qc

Villain checks
Hero checks

Villain shows 22.
Hero wins pot with pair 88.

So should I continue betting on the river? I feel like he should have folded on the turn at the latest with that hand. But he called so I got a bit scared and decided to check on the river.

Any thoughts (on any part of this hand)? What could I do better?

I know this is play money but lets put hypothetically in a more serious setting. How would you play this hand in my spot?
 
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Play money and that's it ... You have every right to expect from your opponent any madness. Playing money can be a good way to spend time, but do not expect to learn something there ...
 
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A-8o in any position is a fast fold for me in ZOOM - Just move on to the next hand.
 
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Play money and that's it ... You have every right to expect from your opponent any madness. Playing money can be a good way to spend time, but do not expect to learn something there ...

tottaly agree :) play money isnt real poker
 
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Wow guys, really, why so nasty to a play money player. Are you trying to scare them out of the game. And to say that it is not poker is a joke. We all have to start somewhere and I for one am glad Supmargy is spending their time trying to improve their game rather than trolling about how play money is such a bad thing.
 
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Maybe I should just remake the exact same thread and say 22 dollar knockout poker tournament.

Im not necessarily trying to learn something in the play money section. Im taking what I think are interesting hands to this place, and try to learn from it.
But apparently since one detail of the setting is unimportant to you you dismiss the whole thing.
While my opponent may have done something stupid here, there's still my play that can discussed or analysed.
Was my bet sizing ok? Should I be betting at all? What hand ranges would you estimate my opponent on before he reveals 22? Plenty of interesting stuff imo.

If you're gonna dismiss my post based on the setting and not the content. If you're gonna behave like a ********, dont bother commenting at all.

Now, if anyone with a nicer attitude still has an opinion on the hand, I invite him/her to share it.

Ps: shoutout to dj simteqs. Thank you for looking past the play money
 
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Guessing you don't have any meaningful HUD stats on this player? If not, wow, what a calling station. I'm new myself but I agree on the river check. I think you really played well for pot control betting 1/2 and 3/5 pots earlier too.

As far as play money is concerned, I actually believed the majority but now I'm starting to doubt it after reading this post. Today I learnt that Spin n Gos aren't necessarily a lottery and that play money can actually be used to constructively learn the game.

Good luck mate! :D

PS - Would you have folded to a bluff shove on the river?
 
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Guessing you don't have any meaningful HUD stats on this player? If not, wow, what a calling station. I'm new myself but I agree on the river check. I think you really played well for pot control betting 1/2 and 3/5 pots earlier too.

As far as play money is concerned, I actually believed the majority but now I'm starting to doubt it after reading this post. Today I learnt that Spin n Gos aren't necessarily a lottery and that play money can actually be used to constructively learn the game.

Good luck mate! :D

PS - Would you have folded to a bluff shove on the river?
Thanks for your input and link to that other thread. Interesting read!

I dont have stats because i was playi g on my phone. Im on vacation now so I do t have access to my pc.

I feel like playing with play money changes the rules a little bit. You have to take more risk calling, open up your guessing hand range,... But in the end it's still the same game and the principles you learn, while having to be adjusted when you take your game elsewhere, are still mostly the same.

An added bonus to play money is you'll see more showdowns. Which can give you a feel of what kind of hands opponents can statistically and realistically have over the course of x hands. This, I assume, can be valuable in MTT.

So all in all there are some aspects of the game that can be learned in play money games. Why would you risk losing real money if you don't even have some of the basics covered as a newbie (I started playing 3-4 weeks ago...).

Ps: i would have definitely folded. I feel like his hand range was better than mine playing the way he did.
 
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Hi, the initial raise before the flop was good, I would have made a bet on the size of the pot after having seen the flop since it was a high card like the king if the villain had equalized, on the turn he would have placed a bet Half of the pot, if the villain equals stop betting and have two cards higher than the one I hit, although I think for the turn bet would have retired, but try to see the river without betting anything else.
 
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Hi, the initial raise before the flop was good, I would have made a bet on the size of the pot after having seen the flop since it was a high card like the king if the villain had equalized, on the turn he would have placed a bet Half of the pot, if the villain equals stop betting and have two cards higher than the one I hit, although I think for the turn bet would have retired, but try to see the river without betting anything else.

So you're recommending:

  1. Pot sized bet on the flop
  2. check on the turn
  3. River options:
    • fold if villain value bets 1/2 pot
    • value bet if checked back
Is that right?
 
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So you're recommending:

  1. Pot sized bet on the flop
  2. check on the turn
  3. River options:
    • fold if villain value bets 1/2 pot
    • value bet if checked back
Is that right?

You would have done in that case since if a rival so matches your bets you can be sure that he has a good play or is waiting for his project to be completed with the river, but in the case of (Supmargy) the opponent wanted to bet him Less possible and just matched, I in that situation would have stopped betting on the turn, as I said in my post and would be prepared for a fold, in case my opponent made a bet all in.
 
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