how would you get best value?

Just wondered what the other members thought about this scenario?At the end of a tourney, the blinds are 4-800, my stack is 17500 and I am in the SB. It gets folded round to this player in late position who raises 2500 and has a rather similar stack to me, it gets folded round to me and I look at my cards and see two black aces. I think about this and decide to flat call, the BB also flat calls his stack is about 13-15000. The flop comes king high all clubs with a 7 and a 4 I think.Ok I'm first to act what's your play, bearing in mind the original question...thanks all again your'e a great supportive site

My Take

cracksniper said:

Just wondered what the other members thought about this scenario?At the end of a tourney, the blinds are 4-800, my stack is 17500 and I am in the SB. It gets folded round to this player in late position who raises 2500 and has a rather similar stack to me, it gets folded round to me and I look at my cards and see two black aces. I think about this and decide to flat call, the BB also flat calls his stack is about 13-15000. The flop comes king high all clubs with a 7 and a 4 I think.Ok I'm first to act what's your play, bearing in mind the original question...thanks all again your'e a great supportive site

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I'd bet min bet for value since I've already indicated that I have something worthy of the call...should cause some concern by opponent, but give them doubt that I may be bluffing as well...I do want action here, but also fine with everyone folding too. My major concern is a made flush already or a KK. I am ok with taking the pot now cause soon, I'd be pot committed. Max benefit can result with a "value bet" here vs check/raise or all-in, I believe. But, I have been known to be wrong. Wally:boxing:

thanks bullishwwd for the quick reply, I won't tell you just yet what I did because I would like other answers but it is a good start, cheers mate

It is in the name mate

cracksniper said:

thanks bullishwwd for the quick reply, I won't tell you just yet what I did because I would like other answers but it is a good start, cheers mate

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Value bet = best VALUE

I think, but

Will return cause I'd like to see what others have to say as well....Wally

roud: :boxing:

Hmmmm. A min vakue bet is fine here, but another option would be to check, but this would be also read dependent on the initial bettor. I would assume he would bet out again if the table plays weak, and you could then shove back. But again it would all depend on my read on him. Against a LAG I would probably check/raise, but against a TAG I would bet out here.

While specific situations can mitigate otherwise, I don't see much in the way of compelling reasons to get tricky here. There's 7500 in the pot, and you have 15k behind. Assuming you'd like to get it all in unless something happens that dissuades you, bet 5000 or so, which is a normal amount, leaving 10k behind to bet on the turn into a pot of either 17.5k or 22.5k depending if you get one or two callers - again, a pretty normal bet size.

You should have isolated the raiser preflop with a three bet. You are OOP with AA. You don't want a multi-way pot with AA, especially having the worst possible position on the table. Flatting his bet just invites the BB to call cause he's getting such a great price to see a flop.

I'm not sure what the antes are but you have an M of 15 to 20 right now and you don't really have the chips nor the position to really get cute with your hand. You need to three bet and hope the opening raiser has a hand to flat with or shove with.

In the future if this is an online hand, please post the Hand History. If it's a live hand, please say so in the OP. Thanks.

Please don't tell anyone I said this, but I agree with TPC on this one.

Kenzie 96 said:

Please don't tell anyone I said this, but I agree with TPC on this one.

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We wont tell anyone


HEY EVERYONE KENZIE AGREES WITH TPC

Instead of just flat-calling, I would have raised his 2500 to 7500.

After the flop, I would have pushed it.

Hopefully another club hits the turn just in case he happened to flip over two clubs.

Let's see the results.

I would have minraised, and would try to build a big pot, getting all my chips in the middle, preferable against one opponent with my aces. Flatcalling with aces is very common nowadays, can be a good strategy too, i was often a victim :-/

ok guys thanks for the response, I flat called because basically it was'nt going to be a multiway pot with only the BB behind me and I did'nt mind him being in. After the flop I went all in hoping to get a caller but I did'nt mind taking the pot there and then it's just that now reviewing the situ' I think a value bet would have been the best option and try to build the pot as it was they just folded but the initial raiser did think about calling.
I think I perhaps got a bit too keen after seeing the board, by the way it was a live tourney so I did not know specific hand history. In future min raise the board and take it from there

Im raising 3x to 7500 and shoving on almost any flop in this postion, flat calling in an early postion is something I like to try but as you are at the end of a tourney you need to try to extract maximum value here. We have a raiser so theres already some money in the pot if we take it down here, by raising to 7500 if the initial raise calls he pretty much pot commited so the rest go in anyway. If you lose you just shrug and go, he made the mistake.

i woulda went all in from the king down because the odds were in your favor even if someone had a king. because you still had the highest club and you had the highest pair. well good luck in your future games.

I'd fold black aces. Red aces is the way to go.

cracksniper said:

ok guys thanks for the response, I flat called because basically it was'nt going to be a multiway pot with only the BB behind me and I did'nt mind him being in.

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If the BB calls there, it would be three in the pot. Which would be classified as a muliway pot. Which is what it ended up being.

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After the flop I went all in hoping to get a caller but I did'nt mind taking the pot there and then it's just that now reviewing the situ' I think a value bet would have been the best option and try to build the pot as it was they just folded but the initial raiser did think about calling.
I think I perhaps got a bit too keen after seeing the board, by the way it was a live tourney so I did not know specific hand history. In future min raise the board and take it from there

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You haven't learned anything from this thread, have you? You don't have the chips to play your hand this way, especially from the SB.