How to spot someone who hit a set

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Any one have tips on how to spot when someone has hit their set? I love it when I hit mine. But hate it the other way around. Any help would be great.

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well, depends on the player. Aggressive players it is very difficult to spot, while overly passive players it is usually blatantly obvious. Also, read the board. People will rarely check-raise top pair unless it is an ace or a king (less chance of being outdrawn by higher pair) but they will frequently check-raise with a set because there is less a chance of them being outdrawn. So with top pair, if someone calls two big bets and then raises you, once in a while it is best to lay down top pair, just remember that sets are relatively rare so don't lay down top pair too often or people will exploit that in your play.
 
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Like frozensprx said, it is very difficult to spot sets but what you can do is to play very cautiously, i mean NEVER goes all in before you're sure that you got the nuts only if the opponent has a lower stakes than you...i know its not easy to fold top pair but sometimes it can save you from a lot of trouble!hope this will help you.
 
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The easiest way to spot this in an aggressive player is that they slow down and flat early. Seems most folks can't help but walk the dog.

If it's a passive player, it will usually come in the form of a C/R.

If the villain suddenly lights up on an 8 after flatting you on a dry board.

If you get very fast flat calls (call any box) till the river, bringing a big raise or C/R.

Just a few.

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the best is when 2 players have hit the set and both are checking or light betting and then get into massive shove battle on the river bet and then when theyflip OOOOO you got me
 
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The easiest way to spot this in an aggressive player is that they slow down and flat early. Seems most folks can't help but walk the dog.

If it's a passive player, it will usually come in the form of a C/R.

If the villain suddenly lights up on an 8 after flatting you on a dry board.

If you get very fast flat calls (call any box) till the river, bringing a big raise or C/R.

Just a few.

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what you said is very true but i think this will be ok in cash games but not on MTT, they are lots of donk playing there...they will C/R you with nothing or call any raise just to see a card or try to bluff so you can't really stick to those patterns, most of the time it true but not always depending on who you're playin with or the kind of game "cash games...MTTs...sit&go"!
 
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thanks for the advice. Like most have said it is hard to spot. I guess changes in patterns in betting is the only way to tell. The bummer part about it is if you fold you still dont know if you made the right call.

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MTT is hard, too many variables. Cash is a little easier, sometimes, usually in low limit they will bet over 50% of pot to run off draw hands when there is a possible straight or flush. Otherwise they are trying to extract value from gut shots and top pair. IE J57 and Villain has a set, he should be trying to make it un-proffitable to draw on a come hand.
 
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stop trying to put individuals on specific hands. give your opponents a range of possible hands on each street
 
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One of the biggest warning signs for me is when there is a pair on the board, whenever a villian becomes overly aggressive with a pair showing on the board, im always wary of a set
 
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One of the biggest warning signs for me is when there is a pair on the board, whenever a villian becomes overly aggressive with a pair showing on the board, im always wary of a set

that would be trips, not a set
 
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that would be trips, not a set

Thanks for the correction, i always thought they meant the same, but now i know that a set is when you have a pocket pair a make three of a kind on the board. I still have a long way to go before i get to where i want to be at the tables.
 
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Usually the guy with the set is going to try to build a big pot early. If you have TPTK and you are being raised, you need to slow down and consider that you may be facing a set, especially if the player doing the raising is not a maniac. Think about how the hand played out so far and who is in the pot with you. You will still lose a fairly big pot, but maybe you can save your stack.
 
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its kinda hard at first but the way i learnt is, find a hand that goes to the river.

first find a hand that you make it to the river on and dont check result. nothing special just your average hand, one where you bet 3 streets are easy.

then give him a range preflop and write it down.
so like if he flats a raise you can remove hands he would 3bet, so QQ+ AK+ are gone. and then when you cbet and call remove hands he would raise or fold
and keep doing that. post some examples without results or cards and we can go through their ranges.
 
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@duggs, I thought you put players on ranges using vpip on the hud then putting it onto pokerstove?
 
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This is good advice. After reading your other post I think you are right taking notes is something I need to start doing. Thanks
 
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Great advice here....spotting a set and folding two pair are the weakest points in my game. I always try and remember on the flop that if i hit a set I'm going to play it pretty fast after I more than likely smooth called preflop. So I look for that ( I think that was already mentioned). If someone raises a dry board I'm always wary of a set.
 
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Most definitely on the bluff part but the key was.....be wary of a set (or bluff lol)!
 
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@duggs, I thought you put players on ranges using vpip on the hud then putting it onto pokerstove?

no because your range should be fluid, and you need to remove their 3betting range and limping range, plus it changes based on positions and image etc.
 
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I would think if there was a telltale sign we'd all be rich by now lol
 
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I meen no disrespect for people trying to give answers here. but this question its self is pretty flawed, for a start player tendencies, and board texture and how the hand is played given over a range of hands the villain has in his positions and history of his playstyle is how you spot sets there is no one way of knowing its brining it all together, and this is really dam hard at times even in fullring games, when your up against an uknown, sometimes you just gotta take the hit. this question is like saying. how do i get good at poker? its not one thing its everything
 
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Obviously.....we're not talking in a perfect world...LOL! Just little things that I've noticed after taking the hit that I like to keep in mind. There is no perfect answer because like you say it is situational and dependent on who you're playing....but isn't everything???? The only thing that's for certain is that nothing is for certain!!!
 
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beside betting patterns you have to look at the player tells. did he lean forward after seeing the flop. did he all of a sudden act like he isnt interested. did he glance at his chips after seeing the flop..
You cant determine if he flop a set in most cases. But you can tell when He thinks he is strong. but after his previous betting patterns and tells you ahve to determine what he thinks is strong hands. does he consider just top pair a strong hand. or maybe it begins at top pair with top kicker.. maybe it is any two pair. maybe it is top two pair...
 
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