How to put someone on trips?

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Hi, for example. You have pocket Aces,kings,queens or whatever. The board comes lower cards than your top pair and you are first to act, obviously you bet (some may see this a continuation bet) then you get re-raised all-in.

Do you call or not? My automatic assumption is that they had a middle pair and just called the bet pre-flop and hit their trips, but that's my instant thought every time I get re-raised all in. Often or not however, they called with say two different cards and hit one pair on the flop.

Or they called with suited connectors and either have hit a straight or open ended straight draw, How do you play these accordingly?

Do you or can you lay down a top pair? Obviously if the board pairs I can lay down but on a not so dangerous board I will call and sometimes am up against trips but more often than not someone is trying to draw to something or just playing with one pair..
 
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I find it nearly impossible to lay down AA or KK in this situation. It's often how I leave a tourney. Or double up nicely. Pick one. No peeking!

No, there is no way to know for sure. The other person could have a smaller PP, 2 pair, a draw, a set... the only thing you can be fairly sure of is that they have something. Of course, the something could be AK (A hi).

It really depends on how clever/cautious the other player is. A good player might want you to stay in if he has a set -- more money for him.

It also depends on how draw-heavy the flop is. A set might get more anxious and want the hand over if the flop is dangerous. But so would a number of hands that you might beat.

Over half the time, someone who shoves has the nuts and doesn't know enough to know that shoving means you might not call. I, of course, know this because of how often I will call... sigh.
 
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there is no simple answer. if the standard play was closer to laying down a strong overpair when reraised on a low board then good players would be more likely reraise as a bluff. if the standard play was to stack off with any overpair then good players would be more apt to only give action with 2 pair+. add to this that most people have pretty "unique" ideas about what makes a good play and your decision is based primarily on the average "state of the game" plus your history with that player, be it based on hud stats, note-taking, or previous showdowns.
 
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There are so many variables to calculate here;
  1. what are villain' stats, his PFR. Call PFR, 3bet range and AFq? If opponent is loose, calls a lot of preflop raises and 3bets light then you will want to deal with him differently then if you are up against a nit who plays an 8/5 game and has a call PFR of 5. If that is the case he plays very tight and set mines in position. In the first case he could be pushing with A or a draw but beware of random two pair hands, especially the higher the PFR. If it is over 30 that is somewhat likely. Against the nit who called your preflop raise from the button and who just re-raised you you are against a set most of the time.
  2. The difference between the high card on the board and your overpair matter here also. If you have QQ and the board is 8 or 9 high you could be against a villain who is pushing TT or JJ very hard. If the board is J high you need to evaluate whether villain has AJ, a set or a draw if there is any two of the following T98 or 7.
  3. What is your tolerance for stacking off with an Overpair? I will get my stack in with AA almost every time. I laid down AA once because I was convinced villain had made a straight on the turn. Same with KK on a non A board. Those two hands are big winners so I don't mind losing some of the time. QQ & JJ on the other hand I have learned to lay down more often. They are not strong enough hands to risk your stack for unless you have a good read on your opponent. I shoved over a re-raise with QQ yesterday because villain was hyper aggro. He had 99 and I doubled up. Just bear in mind when you do this that even maniacs get premium hands so don't be shocked when the 70/70 guy has AA. It happens.
  4. One of the easiest tells in the micros is the call preflop raise, call c-bet, then bet or raise on the turn. 90%+ at 2NL vllain has a set and if the board is Ace high with two little cards rest assured AK is up against a set.
 
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There are so many variables to calculate here;
  1. what are villain' stats, his PFR. Call PFR, 3bet range and AFq? If opponent is loose, calls a lot of preflop raises and 3bets light then you will want to deal with him differently then if you are up against a nit who plays an 8/5 game and has a call PFR of 5. If that is the case he plays very tight and set mines in position. In the first case he could be pushing with A or a draw but beware of random two pair hands, especially the higher the PFR. If it is over 30 that is somewhat likely. Against the nit who called your preflop raise from the button and who just re-raised you you are against a set most of the time.
  2. The difference between the high card on the board and your overpair matter here also. If you have QQ and the board is 8 or 9 high you could be against a villain who is pushing TT or JJ very hard. If the board is J high you need to evaluate whether villain has AJ, a set or a draw if there is any two of the following T98 or 7.
  3. What is your tolerance for stacking off with an Overpair? I will get my stack in with AA almost every time. I laid down AA once because I was convinced villain had made a straight on the turn. Same with KK on a non A board. Those two hands are big winners so I don't mind losing some of the time. QQ & JJ on the other hand I have learned to lay down more often. They are not strong enough hands to risk your stack for unless you have a good read on your opponent. I shoved over a re-raise with QQ yesterday because villain was hyper aggro. He had 99 and I doubled up. Just bear in mind when you do this that even maniacs get premium hands so don't be shocked when the 70/70 guy has AA. It happens.
  4. One of the easiest tells in the micros is the call preflop raise, call c-bet, then bet or raise on the turn. 90%+ at 2NL vllain has a set and if the board is Ace high with two little cards rest assured AK is up against a set.

Agreed with all of the above apart from #3
Learn to fold aces when you face resistance. Playing the way you do, you will lose so many big pots while winning a few small ones. Big pots are hard to come by for AA, unless you can get all-in pre or set-over-set someone. That's why I lose quite a lot in FR, as everyone is a nit and only raises when they can beat one pair. By being stubborn with your overpair you won't make up for a few times when you actually cooler someone with AA.
At 2nl it might be fine to play the way you do, but if you move up to at least NL10, expect people to show up with two pairs or more when you get your stack in with AA postflop.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

I agree on the Aces part too. I used to push and always call/raise thinking Aces are always best even on a dangerous board. I've learnt that it is only a pair and chances are if you have more than 2/3 in the pot you're losing everytime.

I can quite easily lay down top pair on a board just used to think differently with aces, so that is what I'm using to improve my game.

One Pair suck in reality. Far to often someone will 2 pair or more.
 
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For me it depends on how the player has played other hands, if you've been playing on the table with them for awhile. If they're a tight player obviously they have something good, i.e. trips. It's really all about the read and your gut feeling. I find I make the call with pocket kings or aces about 75% of the time
 
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all good advice and most times it is a set but I've seen a whole lot of people who put you on AK,Q,J and raise your c-bet big or all in with only a small pair if no big cards on flop .(donk levels)
depends on all your other reads but I usually fold big aces (no pair)and call with big pairs knowing I'm probably in trouble .
could be why I'm still on donk levels :) just go with your gut :) JMO
 
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Depends on the players profile. If he is a TAG player you should fold when he's raising serious. He could be bluffing but most of the time he is not. Is just simple as that. If he is a LAG player you are in trouble if he has trips and you caught him bluffing before and you will go broke.
 
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